Web Video Feminist Frequency Discussion

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09:19:56 AM Feb 15th 2015
edited by PeachLover94
What about her thoughts on the Femme Fatale, The Vamp and the all encompassing Evil Demon Seductress - er, female villains and or antiheroes in general?

Many people think she is against the feminine or feminism being portrayed in any bad light, but I think it is more on the way that female villains and antiheroes are using sex, violence or a mixture of the two to satisfy their goals.

Could that be chalked up to writers wanting or being pressured to cave in to the very patriarchal ideas that violence must be used on these "evil women" (air-quoting) and their crazy and or sex-crazed violent nastiness to bring them back under control?

But seriously, what do you think on this idea?
12:49:20 PM Oct 4th 2014
I've been wondering what personality a character would have if he's a Mr. Female Character. A Ms. Male Character is Bowser's daughter who is vain, spoiled, bratty and quick to anger. How would an exaggerated male character act?
11:26:16 AM Oct 21st 2014
Mr Female Characters don't exist, because men are depicted as varied in skill and personality. A Mr Female Character would mean female is treated as the default, and that never happens. That's the point of the trope.

You could have them wear a baseball cap or something, but any dialogue or communicative movement would involve some deeper characterisation: like making them a jock. Which- while masculine- is not considered cultural shorthand for masculinity, so you wind up with a jock character, not a Mr Female Character.
04:40:50 AM Sep 4th 2014
This trope is now In-Universe Examples Only. If it fits, feel free to put it on the main page.
  • Complaining about Shows You Don't Watch:
    • Remixing video game stock footage for a blog that praises the game Portal for being about "non violent conflict resolution" and criticizes "you hardly see" Chell.
    • Complaining about The Powerpuff Girls' use of the Straw Feminist trope and forgetting the character was revealed to not be a feminist at all (on top of the irony of her caring about appearance). And applying real life problems to things in episode that don't even apply to those problems.
    • Lumping Y: The Last Man and the Daughters of Amazon therein as example of "crazy man hating Straw Feminists without any realistic feminists showing up" when not only do calmer more grounded feminists appear but Brian K. Vaughan explicitly created the characters as examples of one type of feminist school of thought and other characters as opposing ones.
    • Dismissing Clarice Starling from Silence of the Lambs because she's overshadowed in the cultural memory of the film by a male character (Hannibal) even though Clarice fits her previously established criteria; she has the most screen time in the film, the story arc revolves around her, we see her make decisions and she is the character that the viewer identifies with in a role that earned Jodie Foster her second Oscar along with Anthony Hopkins for his Hannibal Lecter role. It's virtually impossible to describe the plot in a way that makes Hannibal seem anything like the lead character, but Sarkeesian says the exact opposite of this.
    • She lists Clementine from Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind as a Manic Pixie Dream Girl, even though she is a character who was an outright subversion of this trope who actually says to her romantic foil: "I'm not a concept. Too many guys think I'm a concept or I complete them or I'm going to make them alive, but I'm just a fucked up girl who is looking for my own peace of mind. Don't assign me yours."
    • Under research failure specifically, this post from another feminist blog argues that understanding the history of certain phrases in the song reveals that "Baby It's Cold Outside" is not actually about date rape. To be fair to Sarkeesian, though, this is one where quite a lot of people don't do the research.
    • Another example is the video game Bayonetta. Not only did she not address the satirical nature of the game, there were several hints that she was not very familiar with the game. The biggest one is when she says Bayonetta is a single mother, something that is not true. Bayonetta does play the Action Mom trope, but only metaphorically (the girl she takes care of is HERSELF from the past), while Sarkeesian portrays it in the video as if she is a literal single mom. Made even worse by stating that that's her one and only positive character trait. To be fair, she later rectified and edited the video removing the parts in which she talks about the game itself and left only her complains about the marketing campaign in Japan, which were much more legitimate.
01:02:13 PM Sep 7th 2014
Seem more like the examples would fit under Cowboy Be Bop At His Computer instead. Still wouldn't be listed on the main WebVideo namespace, though.
08:32:30 PM Oct 28th 2014
Whatever this is sounds like YMMV to me
12:54:52 AM Aug 23rd 2013
No Headscratchers page?
09:50:55 PM Sep 7th 2013
No, because that will easily derail into a shitstorm of arguing and ranting.
03:22:34 PM Sep 21st 2013
Storm Kensho, I 2nd that it's a good idea and dont agree with Rahkishi500 Due to the fact that there are more people out there capable of being confused by her opinions and not being a dick about it.
02:28:44 PM Aug 13th 2014
I suspect the mods don't want to bother policing something with this much tension associated.
05:27:51 PM Dec 16th 2014
I'm not sure how and why my blue links were deleted: how is resistant reading not related to death of the author? Or aberant decoding a direct cause of misaimed fandom and Fan Dumb? or baseless mockery not a direct result of a Hate Dumb?
07:48:39 PM Dec 16th 2014
Have you read the history?
11:57:27 PM Dec 16th 2014
Fan Dumb and Hate Dumb are Flame Bait. Meaning we don't list them on work pages at all.
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