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AdelePotter
topic
11:43:02 PM Sep 28th 2014
So... season 3. Is that happening? Is it in Development Hell?
reterusu
topic
07:40:53 AM May 25th 2014
What do people think about making a season 3 with an all new cast starting with Mind Screw Driver?
teknomage
topic
09:30:25 AM Dec 21st 2012
When I rewatched the second season premiere after finishing the season, I noticed that a picture of Zack's dad was seen briefly on [citation needed], and Ace said most of his name. I'm wondering what trope to call that... foreshadowing, Chekhov's Gunman, Chekhov's News... and also if there's a specific trope for cutting off the name (Mark Wall-), like an Unreveal, Smash Cut, His Name Is, or something like that...
AdelePotter
topic
12:39:40 PM Jul 9th 2012
So, is Season 2 going to have more episodes than Season 1 or have the same amount of episodes, just released over 5 weeks instead of 10?
Telcontar
moderator
12:44:13 AM Jul 10th 2012
It's having twelve episodes at two per week, so six weeks.
Tanzmetall
topic
02:58:42 PM Jun 29th 2012
Re: Unfortunate Implications, I would just like to point out that Stefan Dezil is not the first non-white actor to appear on the show, as Pat Kane is 1/16th Choctaw.

...Yeah, ok. You're right. Nevermind. :(
Tanzmetall
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08:49:20 AM Jun 20th 2012
I'm thinking that the episode summaries (3/4 of the way down the page) oughta be combined with the listing of tropes per episode. That split seems redundant to me.

Also, I'd rather have Season 2 embedded than Season 1.
AnthonyMercer
11:26:57 AM Aug 6th 2012
The listing of tropes per episode should really be on the recap page anyway...
Tanzmetall
topic
09:05:52 AM Jun 14th 2012
Re: I Call Her "Vera", I'm not sure that applies or not. I genuinely don't know what Zack said there. Zack has a tendency to twist his lines ever so slightly (memorizing lines is not his thing—he sees himself as a DP, not an actor).

So, regardless of what is in the script, I'm not sure what he says when he says "___ back, please". It seems to me like he is saying "Lens baby", personally.
Madrugada
moderator
08:11:36 AM Jun 19th 2012
edited by Madrugada
I heard it as "lensy" when he first entered and greeted it "Hey, lensy..."— a baby-talk diminutive of "lens". I guess we'd have to ask Zack, if he even remembers.
DoubleU
10:18:31 AM Jan 3rd 2013
That reminds me: can we have subtitles for the next season?
Wackd
topic
06:14:29 AM Jun 5th 2012
Any chance we could get a video-free version of the page for folks like me, who can only manage one or two Blip videos at a time or their browser seizes up? It took me fifteen minutes of load waiting for me to even get here to make this request...
Telcontar
moderator
06:33:16 AM Jun 5th 2012
I guess we could make it at Sandbox.Echo Chamber — it would be useful.
AnthonyMercer
11:27:58 AM Aug 6th 2012
Couldn't the videos other than the latest one just be links anyway? The page is ridiculously slow, but it was fine back when there was just one embedded video.
AdelePotter
topic
08:13:53 AM Aug 25th 2011
Does "end transmission" count as Mr. Administrator's catch phrase by now?
AdelePotter
01:17:10 PM Sep 18th 2011
bump
FastEddie
moderator
10:10:34 PM Jun 2nd 2012
Sure.
anciday
topic
10:28:22 AM Jul 17th 2011
Good job on the season finale guys! Now, how long do we have to wait until the next one? Either way, I say you all deserve at least a months break for the work, notwithstanding any crazy demands Mr. Administrator makes...;)
Tanzmetall
05:42:06 PM Jul 19th 2011
Thanks! Yeah, we're taking some time off, but not really all that much. We have to start on Season 2.
anciday
04:35:25 PM Jul 20th 2011
Don't burn yourself out though! Make sure you get plenty of rest and fluids before starting on Season 2 ;)
NegativeCloud
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08:26:19 AM Jul 11th 2011
Does Dana referring to herself and Tom as "two people who don't care about each other talking about tropes" in Episode 9 count as a Call Back to Episode 5, where Dana asked about adding sexual tension so they wouldn't just seem like "two characters who don't care about each other talking about tropes"?
Madrugada
moderator
12:55:22 AM Jul 17th 2011
Sure sounds like one to me. Good catch.
nuclearneo577
topic
09:16:54 PM Jul 6th 2011
What the heck was this under?

Tanzmetall
11:24:06 PM Jul 6th 2011
Lots of people speculated that my outfit in Romantic False Lead was an homage to Doctor Who. I'm Jossing that theory officially here. I bought that sports jacket only because I thought it was profoundly ugly. I mean, what's not to love? It's the color of cat vomit! And it's plaid!

Also, I don't watch Doctor Who (although Zack and Yulin do). I do love bowties, though.

Yeah, if you want to put this under a Trivia tab about Shout-Out, I wouldn't. It's more a case of negative Author Appeal.
nuclearneo577
10:25:34 AM Jul 7th 2011
Shout-Out is not trivia.
Thebes
10:37:43 AM Jul 7th 2011
Then it shouldn't be on the page at all.
Tanzmetall
06:01:23 PM Jul 7th 2011
You're right. Sorry. I was thinking of Word of God, which *is* trivia. Still, it's not a Shout-Out.

Someone else already figured this out and updated the page, though, so I'm not gonna worry about it anymore.
Madrugada
moderator
topic
06:59:25 PM Jun 27th 2011
Took this off of the Episode 7 list:

Because an invoked trope is "a character deliberately sets up a trope to happen."

Which character set up what trope?
Tanzmetall
07:02:23 PM Jun 27th 2011
edited by Tanzmetall
I believe this is referring to the episode being about Tom invoking Walk and Talk, and Dana being displeased. Basically the entire episode is an Invoked Trope.
Madrugada
moderator
07:11:55 PM Jun 27th 2011
Ah. Couldn't see the forest for the trees...
anciday
topic
02:55:04 PM Jun 19th 2011
Is there any point adding Jiggle Physics to the list due to Shannons...*ahem*...talent. It's Lampshaded by Tom a few times. Or is there a more appropriate trope to file it under? Or would it be too crude? XD
DougSMachina
02:58:44 PM Jun 19th 2011
Gainaxing. Maybe it is a little crude, though.
Madrugada
moderator
07:01:03 PM Jun 19th 2011
edited by Madrugada
No on both Jiggle Physics and Gainaxing. They simply don't apply; Shannon is not computer generated nor is she an animation.

Jiggle Physics is "the art and science of simulating the behaviour of non-rigid objects and materials in a computer." That the very first line of the definition.

Gainaxing's very first line is: "The act of drawing a female character with unusually large and buoyant breasts and without a bra, then animating every individual jiggle, sway, bounce and bobble they undergo."
DougSMachina
11:34:35 PM Jun 19th 2011
edited by DougSMachina
Actually reading the entry? Sounds like too much work. (Sorry.) And I did think it doesn't apply to real people.
Killomatic
03:27:40 AM Jun 20th 2011
edited by Killomatic
Looking at the page, Gainaxing has at least as many non-animated examples, including a Video Games and even a Real Life folder.
anciday
08:40:27 AM Jun 20th 2011
Thanks for the help guys. I will make a Suspiciously Specific Denial here and deny I'm trying to insinuate anything or insult anyone. ;)

Seriously, I love the series and wanted to catalogue as many appropriate tropes as possible and the fact that Tom kept mentioning Shannons...talent...made me wonder where to file it under, if indeed it needed filing.
Madrugada
moderator
11:02:05 AM Jun 20th 2011
edited by Madrugada
Killomatic, those are bad examples, and should be removed. The Live action ones should be under Jiggle Show or should be cut completely, and the video games are either correct or should be under Jiggle Physics. The Real Life section needs to die in a fire.

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Shannon's ...talents... are probably Buxom Is Better for Tom and I Have Boobs, You Must Obey! for Shannon herself.

There's also some aspect of Male Gaze, as Zack follows Shannon walking away with the camera, keeping her in focus and dropping Dana out of focus in the foreground.

Detheron
07:28:24 PM Jun 20th 2011
edited by Detheron
Madrugada
moderator
08:35:04 PM Jun 20th 2011
edited by Madrugada
Nope. Read the page. "Note that this trope applies exclusively to "superheroines" / "supervillainesses", ... For normal women, see the supertrope, Buxom Is Better."
Killomatic
04:31:25 AM Jun 21st 2011
Which is also incorrect, since there's more to Buxom Is Better than normal women with a large breast size. Ever think we have way too many tropes about boobs?
anciday
03:29:38 PM Jun 21st 2011
I blame Tom for this. He started it! :P
DougSMachina
03:33:43 PM Jun 21st 2011
This does seen like an awful lot of discussion about one woman's endowments, but I guess tropers like to write about what appeals to them, right?
Madrugada
moderator
10:09:04 PM Jun 21st 2011
Buxom Is Better: "that large(r) breasts automatically make a woman more attractive;"; "This trope should only apply when it is explicitly stated within a story that a character is more attractive or benefits because of her large breasts". Tom is willing to put up with all of Shannon's scary-psycho craziness because her breasts are "sooooooo gooooooooood"
Tanzmetall
topic
06:25:07 PM Jun 13th 2011
edited by Tanzmetall
Echo Chamber is seeking a spec script for Season Two. If you like the show, or if you think you can do better, then go for it.

Guidelines are here:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13080030120A02080100
N3cr0p4th
08:53:45 PM Jun 19th 2011
Uh, I'll be at CMU this summer for the pre-college program so if you guys want I could whip up a script for Ascended Fanboy...

And if you don't exactly mind, I'm a decent actor and could probably play the aforementioned Fanboy >_>...
Tanzmetall
09:33:46 PM Jun 19th 2011
Shoot me a PM, and look through the thread I linked. Ascended Fanboy could work.

On a related note... There'll be auditions for a major role and a few minor roles in Season Two that are yet to be announced.

On a slightly less related note, Dana also did pre-college here.
ssfsx17
topic
09:25:36 AM Jun 12th 2011
edited by ssfsx17
Meaningless and pointless boast: I totally knew that episode 5 would be UST.
Killomatic
09:43:07 AM Jun 12th 2011
Are we having a contest? I know what the next three are going to be.
KJMackley
topic
08:31:53 PM Jun 11th 2011
I am wondering if there is a better way to organize the page (slightly different topic than the above, which is about the embedded youtube), it works alright now with only a handful of videos but once the number gets up higher it will be a rather complicated mess. I think it just feels a little redundant listing the individual episodes as a shorthand and then listing the tropes in each episode later on. Maybe move the episode list and embedded videos to trivia and let description point you there and the trope list redirect you to the actual youtube link, because the videos (and associated trope lists) are so short having them and the embedded videos side-by-side is information overload.

On a side note, I felt that the UST video was the series Growing the Beard, it may be an old standby for drama but it does do well in evolving the characters into more complex individuals (how a character reacts to embarrassment says a lot about them). I felt the other videos were clever but just didn't pop out due to some of the Cringe Comedy aspects, while for this trope it worked perfectly. I also have a fondness for Moment Killer (as I made the trope page) and got a good laugh from that.
Madrugada
moderator
topic
01:18:27 PM Jun 5th 2011
edited by Madrugada
Hmmm. Got a couple of applicability questions:

  • Is Zack's art degree an example of Or Is It? ? If not, what is it?
  • Does "It sucks. You suck." count as a Catch Phrase for Dana yet?
AdelePotter
02:45:18 PM Aug 23rd 2011
1. I don't know. 2. Yeah, I'd say so.
SavageWolf
topic
11:05:18 AM May 19th 2011
Uh, are all episodes going to be added to their tropes pages as the main image thing? I think it would be better if they had a separate tab icon thing, like the YMMV, WMG icons.
Wackd
03:19:07 PM May 19th 2011
Tanzmetall
09:12:32 PM May 19th 2011
edited by Tanzmetall
I think Savage Wolf means: will the Echo Chamber embeds in other trope pages permanently replace the page images? (Correct me if I am paraphrasing you wrong.)

I believe the plan is for them to replace the page image only for the first week. After that, the embed will be shifted down lower on the page.
Killomatic
01:47:12 AM May 20th 2011
edited by Killomatic
You split the page after one episode? Why? And a separate page for every 5-7 minute video is incredibly wasteful. One page with folders will be perfectly adequate for at least the first season.
Killomatic
04:51:45 PM May 28th 2011
edited by Killomatic
This is just silly. Who wants to add a new page to their watchlist every week. Furthermore there isn't even always a clear distinction between general and episode-specific tropes. There isn't even anything to indicate you have to put episode-specific trope somewhere other than the main page.
Tanzmetall
08:43:03 PM May 28th 2011
I don't think I'd mind one bit if you migrated them to the main page. However, me, my cast, and my crew are not allowed to edit this page, so you're gonna have to take the initiative if you want that to happen.
Killomatic
02:53:52 PM May 29th 2011
That's done. I'll cutlist the recap subpages now. The main recap page can stay, in case the plot does become hard to follow at some point.
Dante2001
09:22:56 PM May 29th 2011
edited by Dante2001
Hmm I dont know if I should post this here but, is there a way to keep the images in the trope's pages?
Tanzmetall
09:33:28 PM May 29th 2011
Like I said above, the plan is to move the embed. They'll only be front and center for a little while after the video's introduction. The only reason some of them haven't moved on, is there is an ongoing discussion about where to move them to.
Dante2001
05:50:59 PM May 30th 2011
Yeah, sry, read your answer way too late :P
BigT
07:26:13 AM Jul 8th 2011
I still think we need to come up with even a better place to put them "front and center." The image serves a purpose, that of explaining the trope at a glance, something the video cannot ever hope to do.
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