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jimreynold2nd
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11:12:58 PM Mar 3rd 2013
edited by jimreynold2nd
In episode 2 of Clannad, there was a random girl appearing when Nagisa was talking to Tomoya after he gave her his hand-made dango. She is rather well-drawn, has animated eye blinking, but doesn't look like a Chekhov's Gun either. Does anyone know who she was?
totorolover33
07:41:30 AM May 24th 2013
I don't remember ever seeing her again in the series, but I agree that she looks more well-detailed and animated than most of the unnamed characters we see around...hm.
Forzare
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06:00:48 PM Mar 31st 2011
"A more minor example, relying on Does This Remind You Of Anything? combined with Dude, She's Like In A Coma: Sometimes when Fūko falls into one of her cloudcuckoolander traces, Tomoya attempts to "help" her back to reality by sticking a drinking straw up her nose."

How is this Rape as Comedy at all?

dRoy
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01:18:04 AM Mar 27th 2011
Just wondering, could Tomoya be intepretated as a "Well Done, Son" Guy, even at the slightest?
FourthDerivative
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06:34:06 PM Mar 18th 2011
One minor thing: should the romanized title be in all-caps or not (i.e., is it "CLANNAD" or "Clannad")? The main article and others seem inconsistent on this. I'm leaning toward the latter.
artman40
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01:38:40 PM Feb 16th 2011
Tomoya dreams of having a good family in episode 20 of After Story at two different occasions. Does that count as Foreshadowing?
AliothMerak
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11:52:06 AM Feb 4th 2011
Given Kotomi's recitation of a Lovecraftian incantation, who else thought that the novel she read to Tomoya while he slept might have been from the Cthulhu mythos, giving him his nightmares? Is there a trope for this kind of thing?
whitetigah
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12:33:43 PM Aug 19th 2010
Re: the expy thing.

They share the hair colour and the Sibling Yin-Yang thing, neither of which are uncommon in Anime imagery. On the other hand, there are many different points among them. To name some:

1. Kagami is quite clearly a tsundere, and that is the main focus of her relationship with Konata. On the other hand, while Kyou has tsundere-like characteristics, they aren't at the front and they're well-hidden from the other characters (except Sunohara).

2. Ryou, on the other hand, is shy around the person she likes (Tomoya), but is really outgoing with other characters, while Tsukasa is shy all-around. Also, while Tsukasa is "no good" if it wasn't for her sister helping her, Ryou is much more independant.

3. Both Kyou and Ryou have several subtle personality characters and quirks which make clear they're very different from Kagami and Tsukasa. For instance: Kagami isn't as good as Tsukasa in the homemaking department, that's to say he's not very good at it, period. On the other hand, Kyou, while not as good as Ryou in the homemaking department, comes very close to her level, and is actually a better cook than her sister. Also, Ryou and Kyou have several hobbies (Kyou rides a moped, Ryou is interested in the occult) which the other two don't, and vice-versa. While at first they may seem the same characters, if you follow both series you quickly realize that they're very different both personality-wise and appearance-wise (the only thing they share, as I said before, is the hair colour and the length — which, by the way, isn't shared at all in the Visual Novel, since in her route Kyou cuts her hair short — while other things, such as the clothes they usually wear — which do define one's appearance and personality — are different).

Finally, there's one meta reason expy doesn't belong on the page, at least in the form you wrote it: the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement. If you're going to accuse a work of stealing something from other works (exact words are "shameless ripoff"), you are the one who has to provide proof they did. And no, "they look the same" isn't proof, sorry, since I've just proven they are separate characters, and if you wanted you could find a plethora of examples, both in Anime and other kinds of works, of characters that look the same but are quite different.
BTIsaac
01:57:07 PM Aug 19th 2010
Fine, have it your way. I'll just take a different route.
AliothMerak
11:50:18 AM Feb 4th 2011
edited by AliothMerak
Whoops, wrong button
WitchHunterRobin
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02:07:52 AM Mar 23rd 2010
During the end credits to After Story, what are the names of all the people walking in line? Maybe it is more clear on the DVD, but I can only identify about 75% of them. Could someone add this bit of trivia to Characters/Clannad please?
kvschwartz
06:40:01 AM Mar 25th 2010
edited by kvschwartz
First we see Ushio — or rather, her knees. The next person we see — the last person in line — by the final episode is Shino Okazaki, Ushio's great-grandmother on her paternal side. She doesn't show up until late in the season (probably the closing credits to episode 18). The next-to-last guy is Toshio Koumura, the Cool Old Guy teacher who heads the chorus club and the drama club. The pink-haired guy is presumably Naoyuki Okazaki, Tomoya's father, although I don't recall his ever having pink hair except in the credits. Sanae with Akio. One of the members of the Miyazawa gang, whose name I don't recall. With Yukine Miyazawa. Youhei Sunohara. With his sister Mei. Misae Sagara. With her cat, the pretend-Katsuki Shima. Tomoyo Sakagami. With her brother Takafumi. Yusuke Yoshino. With Kouko Ibuki. Sugisaka. Holding hands with Rie Nishina. (Perhaps the biggest of many little tiny hints that the two of them are indeed a romantic couple.) The friend of Kotomi's parents whom wikipedia lists as [Gentleman in Kotomi's path ... Voiced by: Yutaka Aoyama ... A gentleman without a given name, he is Kotomi's guardian, a co-worker of her parents, who had died in a plane crash. Kotomi refers him as a bad guy, due to her misunderstanding and her tragedy involving her parents.] With Kotomi. Who seems to be clutching that teddybear to her chest. Botan / Button, the baby boar. Trotting dotingly behind Ryou Fujibayashi, who is right behind her twin Kyou. Nagisa. Tomoya. For much of the season, they're first (or last, depending on how you look at it). By the end of the season, we also get Fuko Ibuki (the one strutting) and, first (or last) of all, Ushio again.

I hope that's at least mostly right.
WitchHunterRobin
03:17:33 AM Apr 8th 2010
Thanks. The ones I was missing were Koumura-sensei, Tomoyo's brother, and Sugisaka+Rie.
WitchHunterRobin
09:53:29 PM Apr 10th 2010
edited by WitchHunterRobin
Slightly different order, 5 minutes into AS #22: "Final Episode, A Small Hand".

Shino Okazaki, Toshio Koumura, Naoyuki Okazaki, Sanae Furukawa, Akio Furukawa, gang member, Yukine Miyazawa, Youhei Sunohara, Mei Sunohara, Misae Sagara carrying her cat, Tomoyo Sakagami (without her brother), Yusuke Yoshino, Kouko Ibuki, Sugisaka and Rie Nishina (short red-brown hair on the left, long blue-black hair on the right), guy with suits-case, Kotomi Ichinose with teddybear, Ryou Fujibashi, Kyou Fujibashi, Yuuko Ibuki, gap, Nagisa Furukawa, Ushio Okazaki, gap, Tomoya Okazaki.
whitetigah
12:32:42 PM Aug 19th 2010
edited by whitetigah
Disregard this, I wanted to post a new topic but ended up replying by mistake.
Mapi
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04:18:31 AM Mar 21st 2010
edited by Mapi
To Witch Hunter Robin:

Support of the proof of how After Story 22 meshes with the timeline as detailed by the blogger Tsundere Storm.

"*** The "proof" is suspect, as said blogger admits having not played the game. "

As a person who has completely finished the game, I will say that the anime True End is different from the game True End.

The game True End is this:

Tomoya is able to invoke a miracle using the Light Orbs he has collected from other realities (read as: other game playthroughs and route completions). In the game, a reality exists where the Okazaki family is dead. You must pass through this Bad End to obtain the True End, as After Story in the game requires two playthroughs to completely obtain all Light Orbs. Basically, the game True End is a universe of its own.

In the anime, however, it turns out differently. Ushio basically retcons Nagisa's (and by extension), Tomoya and Ushio's deaths by letting the garbage doll know her identity, thus triggering the doll to remember his past life as Tomoya. The Light Orbs give him a second chance, which is identified by Tomoya speaking to Nagisa at the hill in After Story 22. Thus, he is sent back in time by 5 years, right at the moment where Nagisa gives birth. Basically, the anime True End takes place in the same universe where Nagisa died, but this is retconned due to Ushio. This is proven by the Recap Episode, where Tomoya says he has a strange memory of a world where Ushio and Nagisa died, and of him being sent back in time.

Now, why is the Sankaku Complex chart wrong? That chart says that the first run-through is basically Tomoya ignoring everyone else in favor of Nagisa, meaning he never became friends with Tomoyo, Fuko, and Kotomi.

The anime clearly disproves this portion of the chart. Why? In After Story 20, Kyou says that she, Ryou, Youhei, and Kotomi all wanted to visit him to cheer him up. If we're going by Sankaku's chart, this is impossible in the first run because that chart says he never became friends with Kotomi. However, as I've said, the former Drama Club was worried about him sinking into depression due to Nagisa's death.
FhnuZoag
08:17:07 AM Mar 21st 2010
edited by FhnuZoag
The Tsundere Storm timeline subscribes to the Fuko gambit hypothesis, which really there is zero evidence for. Sankaku is also likely wrong though - it's way too complicated for no apparent reason. Personally I prefer the sentient town explanation, since at least that's referenced in the series itself.
Mapi
09:56:30 PM Mar 21st 2010
I also agree with the Genius Loci theory; if there is no proof that Fuko was a Chekhov's Gunman then most likely it was the town's doing as some sort of reward for all the good deeds Tomoya had done.
WitchHunterRobin
02:02:08 AM Mar 23rd 2010
edited by WitchHunterRobin
Now that I've seen AS ep 22 on Direc TV, I find neither diagram to be completely satisfactory. I'll bow out of the discussion for now.
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