Video Game Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines Discussion

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Theokal3
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04:24:27 PM Aug 29th 2016
edited by Theokal3
Soooo some guy named Lujo is currently removing everything in the trope and character pages making a reference to the unofficial patch. Is he actually in the right to do that? I mean, nobody ever seemed to have problem with writing down stuff about the mods before.... he makes the argument that some of it is misleading (which is true), but he also removed informations that are correct.
Lujo
03:44:28 PM Aug 30th 2016
edited by Lujo
Most mentions to the unofficial patch present the contents of the "unofficial patch +" as contents of a bug-fixing patch, and the unofficial patch + is quite demonstrably a mod. It doesn't even come bundled with, for example, the Go G release of the game, so it is misleading in that way, too, as people might expect things which aren't in the unofficial patch they have installed to be in the game.

Many of the changes in the unofficial patch + are examples of things like Disc One Nuke and other questionable practices, so promoting it in particular is unwise. The actual, separate bugfixing patch doesn't change anything, so there's nothing to mention about it, unless a bug is cited which it adresses.
Theokal3
03:51:22 AM Aug 31st 2016
Fair enough, but that contempt also was made with the Go G release of the game because the company making it was closed behind, and as far as I know most players still use this patch, so just removing it entirely doesn't exactly seem reasonable. Why not just instead specify this is only in the Unofficial Patch +, or even make a separate section on the page for the contempt available in Unofficial Patch + only? This site aknowledges the existence of fanfics, I don't see any issue with aknowledging the exitence of a patch commonly used.
Larkmarn
06:17:19 AM Aug 31st 2016
Because including stuff from a fan-made mod is exactly like including stuff from a fantic on a source work's page.

I don't know or care about the quality of the mod, but stuff exclusive to it shouldn't be here.
Theokal3
07:20:35 AM Aug 31st 2016
edited by Theokal3
Okay. I find this highly confusing seeing how Skyrim's Funny/Heartwarming pages all have sections for mod contempt and nobody ever complained about it, but whatever.
Larkmarn
07:43:50 AM Aug 31st 2016
Just because one page breaks the rules doesn't mean others should. It's not surprising that would slip under the radar, considering it's a YMMV subpage.
Theokal3
08:07:08 AM Aug 31st 2016
Does that mean there are actual rules forbidding to mention mod contempt?
Larkmarn
08:14:47 AM Aug 31st 2016
There are actual rules saying "only things within a work goes on the work's page."

If it's a fan-mod, then it isn't the same work.
Theokal3
10:49:45 AM Aug 31st 2016
Okay, now it makes sense.

Should it get a separate page, then?
Larkmarn
11:01:28 AM Aug 31st 2016
It can.
Damatte
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07:02:05 PM Nov 2nd 2014
Rosa, the Thin-Blood, wasn't a Malkavian or I should say, she wasn't necessarily embraced by a Malkavian, Thin-Bloods have the ability to see the future and when there are more around, this ability is more effective, but like the Malkavians, they might not understand their visions. That's one of reasons why some Kindred fear the Thin-Blooded, because, they might know their secrets and plans, also, they might confirm the Gehenna will happen, no matter what those who are trying to stop it are doing and no matter what those who negate it are saying and as some Vampires and Sects use that to gain power, the Thin-bloods might ruin that for them, too. I'm saying all of this, because there's a section which says she's a Thin-Blooded Malkavian, that should be changed or removed.
jake38
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09:44:51 AM Oct 9th 2014
edited by 68.112.251.18
Should link the unofficial patch somewhere on this page, since it's pretty required by this point to experience the full game, And if not, then should we put a mod page?
SeptimusHeap
12:57:04 AM Oct 10th 2014
Eh, I don't think we really do offer games for people.
jake38
06:29:02 AM Oct 10th 2014
And that means?
SpectralTime
06:34:34 AM Oct 10th 2014
I'd say that it already is, under "Game Mod" on the page with several others. It doesn't need to be on top.
jake38
07:28:29 AM Oct 20th 2014
Where exactly is it under game mods?
SpectralTime
08:22:17 AM Oct 20th 2014
It's literally the first entry.
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