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TheFellMind
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09:15:38 PM Feb 7th 2013
edited by TheFellMind
All of the examples I added under Karma Houdini are, to the present knowledge and storylines of the game, still currently true. If I should be listing it under YMMV, then fine, just move them there if that's what's necessary. They can be amended too, if and when changes happen in-game.

troacctid — the RuneScape page is not your personal fiefdom. Please stop treating it like one.
MicoolTNT
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12:35:42 AM Oct 30th 2012
What the fuck? Why were my entries on the Botfinder General deleted?
troacctid
10:58:40 AM Oct 30th 2012
edited by troacctid
  1. A prosecuting argument in a courtroom is not a Reason You Suck Speech. "The Reason You Suck" Speech is directed at the target to convince them that, well, they suck—not at third party to convince them that the target is guilty of a crime, like in Botany Bay. It could be a List of Transgressions, except that there's only one transgression, so it's not.
  2. How is it an Author Filibuster? Everything he says is about the game. Nothing is reflecting Jagex's views on external issues. And the game doesn't stop so he can talk — the only way to visit Botany Bay is to choose to enter a side event with no functional rewards.
  3. Even if the examples were valid, it should be pretty clear that neither is the "sole purpose" of the character.

So the tropes don't fit.
MicoolTNT
02:04:07 PM Oct 30th 2012
edited by MicoolTNT
Okay, maybe "The Reason You Suck" Speech doesn't really fit, but it's clearly an Author Filibuster.

Quote from page: "the plot stops dead in its tracks to give the author an opportunity to preach their message to the readers or audience,"

As far as I'm concerned, the bots and the Botfinder General are hardly related to the main plot of RuneScape, so the plot does stop dead in its tracks while players are in that event. Then, the Botfinder General preaches his anti-bot message (which is Jagex's views on the bots) to the players.

"Everything he says is about the game." - Gameplay and Story Segregation; despite the Fourth Wall being rather unstable due to the nature of the game, Bots are clearly not canonical to the plot and the in-game world/lore of RuneScape, so the Botfinder General is talking about a meta-issue, not an issue within the game's plot.

Oh, and your point that "the only way to visit Botany Bay is to choose to enter a side event with no functional rewards" doesn't mean that it's not an Author Filibuster, only that it's one you choose to view. It's still in the game, it still has little to do with the main plot (qualifying it as an "interruption" to the plot), and it's still a clear relaying of the author's views (Jagex's prohibition and dislike of bots), so it counts.

By your logic, tropes in a side-quest of a game like Mass Effect wouldn't count, because the player chooses to do those side-quests.
troacctid
07:05:13 PM Oct 30th 2012
Well they do exist canonically in the game's universe as the "clockwork menace", breaking the law by using machines to work for them illegally. Or something like that. It's a silly bit of lore, true, but so is the sandwich lady.

And I would argue that the rules of the game are part of the game, and Botany Bay is still about the rules of the game. It's more of a He Knows About Timed Hits thing, if anything.
MicoolTNT
10:00:42 PM Oct 30th 2012
Screw this argument, I'm putting those tropes on YMMV.
Kingault
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07:05:58 AM Jul 11th 2012
Were the Nightmare Fuel pages for this topic removed? Why?
Telcontar
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07:32:22 AM Jul 11th 2012
High Octane Nightmare Fuel as a subpage has been removed; everything is now merged into Nightmare Fuel. The NF subpage for this work is here.
PiratePete
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01:29:59 PM Jan 30th 2012
edited by PiratePete
Should the "Nominal Importance" entry be changed? I can't see how the current entry relates to the trope, it looks like an error for No Fourth Wall or A Winner Is You. There are a few examples of Nominal Importance in RuneScape though (Man, Guard, etc.).
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