Discussion VideoGame / PokemonBlackandWhite

I say it's invalid. You can probably delete it.

A number of tropers, after discussion, have concluded Ghetsis doesn't fit and therefore applying Complete Monster is misuse. I expect you are free to challenge the conclusion they came to.

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No, there's going to be two new ones. And they're probably the same game, except with "2" at the end of each title, and Kyurem is going to be in it.

How about the fact that it's not really a trope, and not displayed in the game itself? That good enough?

...There's really no reason to be so hostile. I was just asking a question.

Anyway, I suppose you're right. It should go in the Trivia tab then.

...And now it's been removed again, with no reason. People, if you want to remove things then fine, but is it really so much to ask for a reason?

That's for the forum.

This isn't the forum?

All spoiler tags relating to Caitlin have been removed. Koga's status as an Elite Four is not considered a spoiler, so why should Caitlin's be?

The word Smackdown is indelibly linked to The Rock: he single-handedly popularised the phrase in the late 90s/early 2000s to the point that it's now in proper dictionaries.

I dunno what happened there, people in Ask The Tropers think it's vandalism. I restored them, but some things may have gotten scrambled up in the process.

Edit: Oh, sorry. I accidentally did an Edit Stomp on your work.

I think a bunch of stuff never got re-added. And I can't do much about it because I'm editing from my phone. Hopefully someone will see this post and look into it, but if they don't by the time I'm able to use an actual computer, I'll take care of it.

Sorry I'm a Slowpoke, but I did that because I was too lazy to make a new folder. I'll fix that in two days.

Is anyone else getting tired of this Legendaries shtick? How many do we have now? Three dozen? What's so legendary about that? Whatever happened to the good old days, when "Legendary" was one in every thirty, not one in every fifteen?

I know it's kind of arbitrary It Just Bugs Me!, but I'm just sick of all the one-ups-manship with the legendaries. I liked the first Pokemon games because I took these little weaklings from the forest and turned them into total bad-asses. I don't buy into this "the real goal is to capture Cthulu and throw your blue collar Pokemon away" garbage.

*coughMewtwocough*

>implying there aren't a million world mythologies each with its own million seemingly superfluous deities

Yeah, the legendaries aren't really so legendary anymore... I almost never use them since everyone else is using them and I get bored with seeing those sprites. :))

well it's part of the whole pokemon thing, a Sequel Inflation thing. I mean, the first game had four legendaries (The birds and Mewtwo) the second had five (The great birds and the roaming dogs) the third is where it lost it though, i do believe it had nine. The fourth had five. If those are the only two new legendaries, i think it's fine.

Eh, "Legendary" in the original games never meant more than "one per cartridge" and "most NPCs have never seen them, but will tell you stories about how awesome they are". On another note, it's not the number of legendary species that make them rare; it's the rareness of a species that makes it one of the legendary. But now for something more interesting: The "Legendary" have been clumped together from three groups of pokemon in the translation. In japanese versions you'll find "pokemon from legends", "pokemon that may or may not exist", and "pokemon from myth".

The fourth had much, much more than 5 legendaries: Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, the 3 pixies, Heatran, Darkrai, Cresselia, Manapyh, Phione, and Shaymin, if not more.

Whoops, wrong discussion page, ignore.

EDIT: Ok, lurking the Bulbapedia boards I found where the leaked names are coming from:

nintendolife.com/forums/ds/i_have_pokemon_black_ask_me_questions

Some reviewer on Nintendo Life got a copy of Black for reviews and has been answering peoples' questions about the game.

He revealed gym leader names. E4 localizations released so far have been fake according to Bulbapedia. Not sure where "Blair", "Whitlea", and "Ghetsis" come from though. Continuing to look on Bulbapedia...

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Black_and_White_demo_reveals_several_English_names

The first demo video gives Toko's name as "Whitlea".

Yeah, done some more searching. Ghetsis also comes from the Nintendo Life guy (did he seriously expect the stuff he was revealing to not get leaked?), and the player characters come from the demo tour that's been going on. So all the names are confirmed.

Serebii confirmed them all (and the e4)

The most recent ones are from the UK Nintendo Magazine. Dunno about the others.

Pokebeach has a confirmed list of all English names. It was posted before the UK Nintendo Magazine was released, and even before the latest release on the official site, and all of the revealed names matched those on the list.

Serebii has also confirmed them now.

That might be an argument against using Goetis, but GCis makes no sense as a name, and that being the basis of his name doesn't mean it should be literally done as GCis. "Wartortle" comes from "turtle", but that doesn't mean it has to be "Warturtle".

Besides, source? I don't see this interview on any of the usual sites.

Maybe it should be Geecis then?

The interview is in Coro Coro and it's translated on Dogasu's Backpack.

Using "Gee" is still weird. What I extrapolate from that interview is that "ゲー" is either how Germans pronounce "G" (as a music note or otherwise, no idea) or how Japanese people refer to the "G" in the letter-note system (as opposed to solfege, where it's "so(l)" or the Japanese system, where it's "to").

In any case, you can only really argue for Gcis if you're going to be a purist about this.

It should be Geecis, then, from "gee" and "cis". Either way, "Goetis" definitely contradicts Word of God.

Yeah, Goetis is the farthest. Geechis, or something seems to be closer.

If someone's going to try to fix this, could they at least do it in a less lazy fashion than "Ctrl+F Goetis" and changing every one to "Geechisu" indiscriminately? It's causing a lot of stupid redundancy, not the least of which being the Spell My Name With An S entry.

Oh, total Fridge Brilliance! Geecis, as pronounced how it looks, and like the notes for his theme, would sound uncomfortably similar to Jesus. So...not gonna happen.

Cotton was the cash crop in the Deep South for centuries and it remained so by the use of African American slave labor and until the Civil Rights Movement black sharecroppers. So yes, the cotton thing is a case of Unfortunate Implications.

I severely doubt that was the intention of the Japanese development team but it does come off as racist if unitentionally.

That, and the word cotton picker is considered a racial slur, but like Rhyme Beat said, there's no way it was intentional. I doubt a Japanese development team would know about that.

This would be a good time to pul la Gold And Silver and switch version exclusives for the American realease.

It wouldn't make much of a difference, as this one just happens to be part of the only a pair of version exclusives where you can trade for the other in-game (cue the slave trading jokes).

Agreeing with this, The sheer size of the Expy section is also rather alarming.

And in many cases, they don't even look OR fight alike, but people throw the expy label anyway.

Seriously, the new ghost/fire guy is listed as an expy of the Gengar line, despite them looking nothing alike, having vastly different combat roles, and being different types. But somehow, because they both share one type and high special attack, they're "expies." That character page needs cleanup. And yes, I'm a bit late.

I agree, and it's good something finally turned up, because direct transliterations like "Geechisu" bug the hell out of me. I've proposed "Goetis" to Bulbapedia as well.

Well, since no one else is objecting (or commenting in general), I'll go ahead and change it.

...Except that when we're talking Greek, rather than German, "oe" is pronounced like a long "o". At least according to Wikipedia, the "oe" in "Goetia" should indeed be pronounced that way.

Hrm...and if it were "Goetis", the katakana would likely be "Goetisu" or "Goeteisu", not "Gēchisu"...

Wait, "ゲーティア" appears on the Japanese wikipedia's Goetia article. It's legal, then.

No, 'baruchaa' would be how they transliterate 'vulture.' I don't know where the 'jina' part comes from, though.

Serebii and Bulbapedia mostly use the official transliterations of the names, which I (and I imagine others) don't care for because they miss a lot of the funny puns or the spirit of the name. Like, デスカーン is officially and literally 'Desukaan' but a better translation in my opinion would be 'Deathkan' ('death' + 'kan,' the Japanese word for coffin). The literal translations do work for some names (like Futachimaru), but not for others (Ranculus instead of Rankurusu). This page has used mostly translated names instead of transliterated names, so I figured that we should keep it that way. So there's my two cents.

Oh, now I understand. And I assume we mostly change everything when their English names are released, right? Except Vuljina in order for people to understand the joke.

Yeah, pretty much. And we'd probably note any Japanese version puns, still. Because Vuljina is too terrible a pun to waste.

Not a problem. Already fixed it.

The names on the character page.

Until they are confirmed, shouldn't we just leave it at Black and White?

That's kinda why I left Black and White on the character pages alongside the new names. Just in case and all.

I know, but they aren't confirmed yet so why do we have them? They could be fakes for all we know.

where did they come from, anyway?

They look very alike and they share the same name. Why shouldn't they be the same? It's different with Mamanbou, since the names are nothing alike and they just look similar (think Ekans and Seviper.)

Eh, the Entry do say that all male protags are expies of Red and while i myself think it is quite a stretch i would like to see that Beta Banner sprite though out of curiosity.

Well Gold/Ethan was a Totally Radical Expy of Red back in 2000(Cap turned backwards, hoodie, shorts) and Ruby was really his own design but the thing about them being expies is that they've generally had a hat of their own, and a red color theme to their outfit.

That's what I was thinking with a lot of the new Pokemon "expies." They share the same role, yes, but in many cases look nothing alike.

- Insanity Prelude on a school computer

I agree with this. It's kinda misleading, if only for a few seconds, to read a trope name and then realize it doesn't concern the actual game but the Fan Dumb. Plus, it may separate the good and bad qualities a little...whether or not that is a good or bad thing is up to you, but hey, then we can categorize it!

I added the folders. I think these will work, but in particular I wasn't sure about the tropes relating to new characters. I couldn't decide whether to merge them with new pokemon tropes or game tropes, or to just add them all to the Character Page, so for now I made it its own folder, though it is by far the smallest one.

I'd say merge the new character tropes with the Character Page. By the way, you did a really excellent job organizing the page, I'm tempted to push you to do the same to the other Pokemon pages.

Someone else added this under Urban Legend of Zelda:

• Not a true example but it still fits under it. A quote was taken largely out of context. It stated that Oak was not appearing in these games, which was noted since he appeared in every other gen and is connected to the series. It was warped into "No cameos from previous generations will appear".

Well, Pokexperto has been more-or-less confirmed to be right, and he said that it was Yanappu that gained the pompadour.

(this is Montblanc typing) Because everything points toward it being New York. Everyone that says it's Shanghai ignores the fact that the center island/peninsula (where Hiun City is located) has islands/peninsulas on BOTH sides (Shanghai has two peninsulas with a couple of tiny islands in between them) and Hong Kong and Shanghai both are wedge shaped, whereas Manhattan Island is long a skinny, like Isshu. That, plus the pigeon (look at my post above for more info) and the prairie dog (which I first thought was a chipmunk), which is native to America. The early Pokemon tend to be based on animals you can find in the wild in the real-world region. Also, one early screenshot (the one that had the abandoned factory and traffic cones) seemed to feature a black guy, though I could be mistaken on that part. And don't forget the bald eagle.

I did think for a while that Isshu was Hong Kong based on the black/white dragons, the shape of Hiun City and the comment you could only reach it from the other regions by boat/plane (it's a lot easier to go to Hong Kong by boat from Japan than New York), but ever since the map was revealed, I changed my mind.

That was far too many words for a children's monster-battling game. I hang my head in shame.

Yeah, the maps are pretty convincing, and Wargle clinched it for me. I'm open to the idea of other locations, but show me a map comparing them to Isshu first.

Do we have confirmation on any of the regions besides Hoenn?

Judging by an above conversation, I'd say no.

When should it be considered confirmed whether or not it is New York/elsewhere? I would think they would be more likely to confirm what location they based it on, due to it being outside Japan, but who knows.

Related to the above (if vaguely), the new Pokemon trailer has been leaked to YouTube and it's actually pretty cool looking. It seems from the opening shot that it will take place in a very large city on a peninsula. If it takes place in Hiun City (like I hope), we'll likely get confirmation on where it is based on, as all previous movies have been based on real-world cities, as confirmed by the staff multiple times (The Deoxys movie was based on Vancouver and the Arceus movie was based on Greece, from what I recall)

Then again, none of the past movies have took place at in-game locations, so it's unlikely. :/

It's probably because I've only been following this on TV Tropes and I haven't visited fan forums or anything, but can someone please show me the evidence that suggests locations besides NYC? Because as I said, the Isshu/NYC comparison maps are pretty convincing, and I'd like to see why people think otherwise.

There's a couple of Shanghai/Hong Kong comparison maps floating around that do show some interesting parallels, but for the life of me I can't find them anymore. They might have been on an old Bulbagarden topic. Other than that, it's the yin-yang theme and the fact that it's not Japan (and as I mentioned before, those two cities are more accessible to Japan via boat than New York is.) This is again off-topic, but I hope that next gen takes place in a different country again. I would KILL for a region based on the British Isles. With a lion and unicorn dual legendary and a raven to finish off the trio. OMG.

Red White and Blue Eagle Pokemon. That is all.

Can we not do this here? Go to some forum somewhere.

Besides, there aren't any hyenas in Japan, are there? A particular Pokemon doesn't really mean much to the game being set in some location.

Yes, but as I said up above, the first bird you encounter in the wild is always from the country the region is based on, as well as the first rodent. Poochyena is not supposed to be from Japan, it's like all the hundreds of other Pokemon that are based on animals outside the country. Mamepato is a feral pigeon, which is not found in China (barring one tiny region that's not Shanghai or Hong Kong), and Minezumi is a prairie dog, which is only found in the US. Wargle is icing on the cake.

I'm arguing here because I believe all the 'Isshu is New York' stuff should be put back on the page. Game Freak might never confirm what country it's based on, as they apparently haven't done so in the past (Hoenn being the exception). I figured it was better to hear people's arguments for/against New York/Shanghai/Hong Kong here than for constant edit wars on the main page until there is some sort of consensus whether or not it is based on some specific country.

Libety Ticket. There is no way in hell Isshu is in any place but New York now. Can we but back the reference to Isshu's location?

Yeah, Game Freak keeps revealing more and more stuff that seem to point toward it being New York. It's crazy.

I'd say go for it, but the again, I'm biased toward the Isshu=New York theory, as you might guess.

Liberty ticket. China is the last place an item called the Liberty Ticket would be found even if there wasn't the Satue of Libery in New York.

I'm starting to think the people are bias to America. I mean, what would be the odds that in an English (language) forum on whatever (New York) Isshu would be based on that the people would be Americans. But seriously, "rats" and "pigeons". How is that evidence? You can find that in any country. Of course, "liberty ticket" and "football players" seems to be evidences, but people are ignoring evidences that goes against New York or points to otherwise.

The thing is, in past games, the early bird (hohoho) and rodent have been based on animals specifically found in Japan (though it is difficult to place Rattata Pidgey and Spearow). Starly, for instance, isn't based on the starling most Americans or Europeans are familiar with, but the white-cheeked starling, which is native to Asia. The rock or feral pigeon isn't found in Shanghai or Hong Kong, two of the most popular suggestions. The prarie dog and woodchuck (whatever Minezumi and Miruhog are supposed to be based off, but it is obviously not a rat) are native to North America. Add that to all of the other evidence, and New York has a very strong case.

What is it that points against it being New York? I haven't seen anything against it, just stuff that could point toward it being Shanghai (but most of it is stuff based purely on the map that was released forever ago, while more evidence comes out that points toward New York all the time). I'm genuinely curious.

I have to admit the evidences does point to New York, but it doesn't really confirm it. Geography is pretty much one of the points. I mean you have to admit. Isshu does resemble Shanghai. There is a mountain located on the left side, which New York doesn't have. Of course, I know there isn't a mountain on the right side either (or maybe not). The desert could be based on the Songze ancient culture site. I mean there have been info about the desert being an archaeological site. I don't think they would base it on "Ground Zero" (no offense). There is also the possibility of the city below the lake being based on Suzhou, due to similarities such as being a "city of canals", having one of the largest ferris wheels (fourth, I think), and being origin of Kunqu, one of the oldest form of Chinese operas (musicals). Besides the yin-yang motif, there has also been subtle references to Chinese culture. For examples, just check the "Just Bugs Me" page and look for the blog about Shanghai. (Summary is in the hidden text). Of course, I can't deny the evidences (liberty, football, broadway, wargle), but then again the possibility of Isshu being Shanghai or even "Shanghattan" can't be ignored.

Oh, I agree there's some compelling geographic evidence for Shanghai, but I don't feel there has been any new evidence since the map came out (besides the musicals and that can either be a reference to Chinese theater or Broadway) and the shape can go either way I feel, as Shanghai is more wedge-shaped but Manhattan is not a complete match either. I have no idea why some people suggest that the desert would represent Ground Zero though, that would be quite tasteless of Game Freak to do something like that, lol. I'm mostly wondering what disproves New York.

I will admit that it could be possible that they did take some elements of Shanghai and put in New York (Chinatown?) or vice versa. I didn't find out until recently that Sootopolis was heavily based off a Greek city for instance.

I think it is a better idea to not mention it until someone or something really confirms it. To me, Isshu is Isshu and nothing else. Everything either side has mentioned, I'm not taking into account. The region could be anything. Trainer classes mean nothing - Sinnoh, anyone?

According to the edit list Iwata and Masuda confirmed that Isshu is indeed based on New York, but I don't know where to find the confirmation on the net.

http://pokebeach.com/2010/09/pokemon-peer-scans-and-information

There is an uncanny resemblance in geographical shape, not just to Manhattan, but to Newark, NJ Jersey City (why do I get those two mixed up?) to the west and Brooklyn/Queens to the east. And it's Hiun.

Still, it hasn't been confirmed. Until GF says it's based on so and so I say we shouldn't talk about it here like it's canon.

Are any of the regional match-ups Canon? I thought that {[Fanon}} was simply putting two and two together?

When Fanon is incredibly obviously true, I tend to take it as true. And like Rhyme Beat said, they haven't actually said themselves that Kanto is based on Kanto, et cetera, but christ, just compare the regions and what parts of Japan they're based on. Virtually no difference.

Pretty sure Hoenn's expyness was confirmed when Word of God gave the reason it was rotated.

Yeah, I think so, but what about the other three?

NYC and Shanghai seems to be popular.

I was trying to figure out what species of pigeon Mamepato was based off of, and I decided it must be based on the Feral Pigeon. Now, chances are, if you live in a big city, you've seen these guys before. Unless you live in China. (note: that little peninsula is not Shanghai or Hong Kong.) Just thought it was interesting and would like to share. (before you complain about the presence of say, zebras and baboons in a big city, all the previous trash birds have been based on Japanese birds like the barn swallow, white-cheeked starling, the Japanese eagle owl. Pidgey and Spearow are harder to place, but I'm thinking Eurasian tree sparrow and the Japanese sparrowhawk)

Whoops, just look at the map here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_Pigeon

I think we shouldn't think what Isshu is based on for now until something confirms it. Let's just think Isshu is Isshu, alright? Neither side convinces me. (Sinnoh has these farmers and yet is obviously Japan)

I guess because she's Ambiguously Brown and seems to know her way around the jungle? I don't see it as much of a thing, but whatever.

Because EVERYTHING IS RACIST. Actually it's probably the jungle thing, which could be unfortunate depending on how they handle it. Though I'm theorizing that she has some connection with N because they both seem to have backgrounds involving living in the wild, so I'm not going to read too much into it unless her portrayal does have offensive elements to it.

I am honestly more confused about the unfortunate implications around the arm of the one guy doing the coronation being a darker color than his other arm, which may be the result of scarring, tattooing, or even the lighting rather than HAHA OH MAN LET'S MAKE THIS DUDE LITERALLY HALF BLACK AND HALF WHITE FOR EXTRA SYMBOLISM DESPITE THE FACT THAT GENETIC CONDITIONS THAT CAUSE PEOPLE TO HAVE BOTH DARK AND LIGHT SKIN IN PLACES GENERALLY DON'T WORK THAT WAY. Especially since the guy in the fur coat looks like him, implying that it's probably scarring, tattooing, or the lighting. Can we stop jumping the gun on calling things racist until we... you know... actually know what's going on with them...

Yeah, I don't see how anyone could see Iris as racist (I think she looks like she might be one of the coolest characters in the anime, since, I dunno, ever.), but on the other hand, she comes across as a character that people would look way too into and declare to be racist. Kind of meta, I guess.

What's unfortunate about the black/white guy is that skin color doesn't work that way, making him look like a weird fantasy character instead of a normal mixed-race guy. And I don't think it's lighting or scars, his skin looks normal other than the color and the newest trailer looked a lot clearer so you can see that he has one arm with a white sleeve and black arm and another with a blue sleeve and white arm. I also don't think he's the fur coat guy because their outfits are different colors.

I think he's the same guy in a different outfit that's being used for the coronation; the fur coat is probably his... er... 'normal' outfit. N's also wearing a different, more coronation-appropriate outfit, and you don't see anyone claiming that he's not N based on that fact.

The guy in the trailer and the sprite of the guy in the fir coat who's speaking for Team Plasma also have the same hair color and weird triple ahoge, and it's reasonable to assume that Team Plasma is responsible for N's coronation because of their medieval theme. Plus even in the trailer you can see parts of his face on that side and it's... only his arm that's really clearly a different color from the other side of his body, which suggests to me that it's either a stylized burn scar (or a Legendary-induced Red Right Hand, I've seen both portrayed similar to this dude in anime before) or it's a special tattoo/skin makeup that's symbolically used in the coronation ritual rather than his actual, natural skin color.

That's why I'm saying that we should wait until we figure out what's going on with that dude and see his actual Sugimori artwork before we decide that Gamefreak's failing biology and basic observation forever by being unfortunate and portraying people of mixed race as being literally half black and half white.

The thing is, there's another dude in the coronation scene who looks more like the fur coat guy, only it looks like he's just wearing a long yellow robe and not fur. It doesn't seem to have the blue sleeve, either. On the other hand, he also has the same ahoge as fur coat and black/white guy and...GAH! It's too confusing. Maybe you're right, and we should wait. :T

...maybe they're twins IDK.

Or maybe ahoge dude is actually a magical girl.

The leader being a magical girl is the only way Team Plasma could get any cooler.

Looks like 75.33.216.97 is insistent that Iris is a racial stereotype and that "Black and White" is a racist title for that matter. It's actually caused a little Edit War between him and me on the Video Games page, mainly because he just won't explain anything, appearently thinking simply saying that she and the title are examples is all that is needed. Should a YMMV or something be added when he adds it back yet again, just so it won't continue on?

I admit at this point I'm mostly curious as to his specific reasoning behind this, especially the Wall Banger of the title implication.

Whoever it is, they did it again. I replaced it with a commented-out note this time to make absolutely sure they see it if/when they try to add "Iris." again.

EDIT: ...aaand within minutes, they replaced my note with "Iris". AND Rhyme Beat re-replaced "Iris" with my note. Can we call this guy a troll now?

EDIT 2: And I come back later and he put "Iris" in again, commenting "Stop being racist." For politely asking for an explanation. Yep, troll.

He's going to lengths to make sure that Token Minority and Unfortunate Implications are added to her character sheet on the anime page without giving any explanation as well.

Iris is a racist stereotype.

How so, guy?

Obviously any character with dark skin not created by a dark-skinned person is a racist stereotype.

Can we just ban this obvious Troll?

Rephrasing the question; Aloe was put because she remembers the "mammy" stereotype. Which racist stereotype Iris remembers?

It's possible this guy was already banned, considering he now has a new IP address. Not much we can do in that case except keep watch on the pages.

Geeze. This guy's "methods of persuasion" (making claims without backing them up, making more unbacked claims and accusations when questioned) remind me of that McCarthy guy I read about when I was looking up stuff about witch hunts in high school.

I dunno, it would have to look like a P somehow, and the only thing I'm unsure about is whether that's an x or > over it. It could go either way.

If it does turn out to be a Chi-Rho, I don't believe that Game Freak actually intended it to be a Take That! against Catholicism. They probably saw it and thought 'Hey, cool! This looks like some kind of medieval P, let's use it!' Now, if it was Atlus...

Oh yeahhh I totally had a dumbass moment there. Though the P does look... rather more like the Russian F than a P at this quality. Maybe it's meant to be two swords crossed through it?

That's true as well, especially if they're going for a Knights Templar theme. It's also possible that it's more of a coincidence that it resembles a Chi-Rho because Game Freak intended it to look like a heraldic symbol without knowing it was similar to a religious symbol. Game Freak generally doesn't go for as much gratuitous religious symbolism, as some other countries, so I'm willing to bet it could be accidental.

Well, new images of Team Plasma leaked, if you want to look at them. Still not a very good view of their logo. If it is a Chi-Rho, it's a very stylized one.

I can definitely see the Chi-Rho, but it's looks to me like a Rho laid over a Chi (each has its own black outline with blue fill) as opposed to a unified symbol.

I know I'm late to this one, but we've seen the Plasma insignia in complete detail now, and it's definitely not a Chi-Rho.

It's for the DS.

Besides, with all those other great titles lined up for the 3DS, I don't think Pokemon needs to be considered a killer app...

thank god...my friend's not gonna believe me. He's claiming its gonna be like the original Phoenix Wright, where the first comes out on the DS in japan, but the localization team makes it for the 3DS :D

Your friend has it wrong with Phoenix Wright anyway, the localization team didn't port it from GBA to DS, the port was for the Japanese audience. It just also ended up being a convenient situation to bring the game (and after it's success, the series) to North America. Phoenix Wright was also out for a while before they decided to port it, this game hasn't even been released yet.

Your friend must be in deep denial, is really gullible, or something I don't have words for.

He may be interpreting "no old Pokemon pre-National Dex" to mean that.

Generally, I go by this when it comes to Pokemon Black and White info: if it doesn't show up on Bulbapedia, Serebii.net, and the like, then it's probably some twisted truth or something made up to fool gullible/paranoid people.

Like the claims Musharna was intentionally made to look like a fetus or that Aloe has a pancake and syrup themed gym.

Either way, I think that Trope for 'Took a level in badass' should still stay off, until we at least have some idea of how that potential Luvdisc evo would work.

Agreed, I'm just asking.

Emonga, at the very least, looks suspiciously like a Pachirisu evo...

Well, IF they are evolutions to non-Isshu Pokemon, I have some ideas...

You can catch the evolutions in the wild, but breeding is unavailable until the endgame.

OR

Breeding is avaiable all along (because it would be difficult to justify pushing it to the endgame) but you need a special incense to get the basic forms. The incense is not available until the endgame.

With either of these ideas, Pachirisu and Luvdisc have an evolution method that allows them to evolve at an early level (such as by learning a newly introduced move, which is learned at a low level.)

Just an idea. I'm probably wrong.

Yeah, Pokebeach pointed it out awhile ago. I didn't notice before that, though.

All I see are image leaks.

Do you not see the little leafbug?

Oh, oops.

I took bug to mean glitch for some reason...

Let's wait until at least the Gym Leaders and Elite Four are revealed.

Right-o then.

Pokebeach acts as if male is confirmed, but looking at the text on the Coro Coro page, I see nothing either way. Although I am personally adamant on Cheren being male.

And there's now apparently 3 on 3 Pokemon battles now. Sweet. XD

3 on 3 what. This means a preposterous overhaul of the battle system. It could work out but I have trouble imagining anything but a clusterfuck.

And yeah, I think it's time to stop listing new Pokemon then...I'll put them here for reference though:

• デスカーン Desukān (Deathkhan? "Death" and kan/"coffin"): Seems to be a possessed sarcophagus; presumably somewhat similar to Spiritomb, then. An evolution, maybe?
• デンチュラ Denchura (Dentula, den/"electricity" and tarantula): One assumes an electric tarantula.
• ドリューズ Doryūzu (Doryuz? Doryū is an alternate reading of the kanji 土竜/mogura/"mole"): A mole with drills.
• オノノクス Ononokusu (Ononox, why not. Looks pretty scary, so it's probably derived from ononoku/"to tremble with fear"): He's covered in blades.
• モグリュー Moguryū (Moguryu? Another mogura pun): A smaller drill-mole.

I wonder how much of an impact 3 on 3 battles will really have, considering 2 on 2 battles still seem to be mostly ignored by those that would most feel the changes, ie. the competitive players. I'm certainly looking forward to it, if it's true. I would be happy with a greatly increased emphasis on 2 on 2 battles even.

Are you counting the Stage 1 & 2 forms of the starters? We know they exist, but haven't seen them.

So...Variable Mix? It's a bit hard to tell, though.

Araragi is another word for yew, according the the Japanese Wikipedia.

But using the name Yew here is not something to be done.

Just as a quick glimpse through Bulbapedia, Ookido means orchid, not Oak. Utsugi is deutzia and not Elm. Odamaki is aquilegia and not Birch.

The fourth generation's Rowan is a direct translation though.

Neither truckers caps or mullets are typical eighties styles. I know. I was there. The only people who wore truckers caps in the eighties were truckers and farmers; eighties hair was big and feathered all over, not short in front and long in back. Look at the pictures here.