Video Game Planescape Torment Discussion

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05:04:54 AM Jul 14th 2013
I removed Adult Fear because the wording seemed to imply each entry was more about themes or character motivations than the "dread" the trope is about. The trope then got added back in, first as an expanded version, and then four minutes later it was reverted to the original wording. Here are the two versions that were put in the article:

  • Adult Fear: Where to start?
    • Dak'kon, Fell, and The Silent King all play up inner struggle with religious conviction.
    • Annah faces the death of a parent figure she realizes is abusive.
    • The Nameless One and Deionarra's "love" is chilling. You can later confront her father.
    • Dak'kon's slavery to The Nameless One.

  • Adult Fear
    • In a very long fantasy metaphor for abusive personalities, the Nameless One destroys everything he touches and hurts everyone he cares about. No matter how much some of his incarnations might want to, he will never be able to stop. He finally does committing suicide.
    • Dak'kon has sworn a vow of absolute obedience to someone who is frequently a complete monster, resulting in plentiful on-screen psychological abuse if the player has the stomach for it. And that's not even touching on lost faith or having lived through a genocide. Ignus and Vhailor have lost their basic humanity to traumatic experiences and zealotry. Annah's relationship with her father figure isn't exactly a healthy one, and she promptly finds herself drawn towards an equally unhealthy relationship with a much (much, much) older man. Fall-From-Grace was sold into slavery by her mother. Morte was physically abused but stuck around out of the conviction that it was somehow his fault and he deserved it, and Nordom is the very picture of childlike innocence lost.
    • Deionarra is a literal Love Martyr, but what sends this into Adult Fear territory is that her relationship isn't some Fantastic Aesop — she's simply so enthralled with romance she doesn't realize her lover's true nature until it's too late... rather like many real world people in abusive relationships.

The way I see it, the first version is a bunch of non-examples which got shoehorned into the trope because it seemed like a game as mature as this game needed to have the trope listed (no offence meant). In addition, there's a bit of Word Cruft ("Where to start?"), and they fail to provide any relevant context, or even explain why these are things that qualify as a threat or fear.

The second version is way better, and I'd like to include it — with a few tweaks, which I'll get to some other time — but the person who wrote it replaced it almost immediately with the original version. Was this a mistake, or is there something I'm missing here?

This should be a simple matter to resolve, but just to be safe — and because I think there's a rule about it — I'm bringing this up here, where it's easy to discuss.
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