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reno2200 Since: Apr, 2012
Sep 14th 2013 at 8:38:30 PM •••

Counting Bullets or Sherlock Scan or something... The Boss and Snake both pull off a ridiculous move. When Ocelot is doing his version of Russian Roulette - one bullet in a revolver, the cylinder is spun and then he juggles and spins that revolver along with two empty ones and pulls a trigger six times - they both manage to stop him just as he's about to shoot someone. Considering how fast-paced it is (and they only react when they absolutely must) they must have some 'ability' to be able to keep up.

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FlashSteps Since: Aug, 2014
Feb 23rd 2023 at 12:57:53 PM •••

Well, yeah. That would be part of the "Legendary Soldier" skillset. Notice how Snake counts the shots he hears just before he encounters Ocelot for the second time and then, seeing that he's switched to a revolver, immediately knows that he and Eva have his number (so long as Eva can handle the knife he has on her, and she does). This tells us (as does the actual gameplay fight shortly thereafter with literal HUD icons tracking the shots in each of Ocelot's revolvers) that Snake makes it a priority to keep track of how many shots his opponent has (or at least for a revolver or certain other conventional firearms... it doesn't work so well against bee-firing Tommy Guns or a guy who uses his hands to fire off a machine gun belt). As his mentor, clearly The Boss has carefully honed the same skill. The first time? Assume that Ocelot knows how to perfectly spin his cylinder just right so that for that gun, the shot will be on the second trigger pull (reasonable assumption given his mastery of other revolver tricks) so that he will be able to pull off the shot on the sixth trigger pull of the juggle, if not interrupted (again, a reasonable assumption given psychology; The Boss knows he has a penchant for flourishing and the skills to pull it off, and if Snake didn't initially know he would actually try to juggle and shoot, he sure does when he's spying on Ocelot and the other antagonists the first time. Maybe The Boss has even seen him practising the trick, or else heard about him doing so).

Then, she keeps track of the gun with the bullet, yes even while it's being juggled, or if that's too hard even for her then she counts the trigger pulls and after five, she knows it's time to act. Ocelot can also keep track (he learns the weight of the gun with the bullet in, or something) and in this first instance, he tosses it straight up into the air (instead of on a diagonal for more juggling) and that means obviously The Boss knows it's gonna be the one which actually has the shot (and she rubbishes the idea of luck on the battlefield, so yes she most certainly has these skills instead!). In the second instance, Ocelot actually shoots on the fourth trigger pull, and doesn't toss it straight up, instead shooting after a normal juggle toss. I take that to mean that the first (empty) pull was on the loaded gun, instead of one of the empty guns like he did on the first occasion, and he changed his pattern here to try and throw Eva, The Boss (not that she really could have done anything with Volgin standing watch) and Snake off. So this suggests that Snake was even better at keeping track of the loaded gun than The Boss (yes, mid-juggle, and also perhaps showing that he can read Ocelot's psychology and tells very well) which serves as masterful foreshadowing that in several different ways, he does have what it takes to surpass The Boss.

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Skywalker007 Since: Apr, 2010
Nov 13th 2011 at 10:46:41 PM •••

Should Ocelot qualify for Badass Normal, or he's just not good enough in this game?

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FlashSteps Since: Aug, 2014
Feb 23rd 2023 at 12:18:17 PM •••

He has the makings of it, but is young and cocky and that holds him back. He's got the Improbable Aiming Skills (but as Snake points out, he doesn't know how to handle the recoil on a semi-auto pistol) but had trouble initially transitioning to a revolver (make sure you count your shots). And he couldn't fight Snake hand to hand initially, but with only a week's training with The Boss, he was then able to fight him to a stalemate in CQC (most martial artists take years to master their craft, and it's befitting as his instructor was both his mother and also one of the most skilled practitioners of CQC). Finally, being able to a) somehow use electromagnetic deflection via a volley of shots to defeat Volgin's electro attack mid-way though his brawl with Snake (seriously, I don't think the physics there are possible, realistically he should have been on the losing end of that exchange) and b) leap off the flying platform onto the WIG (which was rapidly moving forward) indicates some serious skill. There's also his scheming to consider as he's basically three steps ahead of everyone else in the game when his final phone calls are taken into account. Taken altogether, I'd say he qualifies towards the end of the game, but not before.

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OpSigStabber Since: Dec, 1969
Feb 7th 2012 at 9:08:43 AM •••

When Snake is talking to Granin while he's drunk, Snake says "Metal Gear" while discussing bipedal tanks, Isnt that a title drop for the entire series?

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supergeekgirl Since: Nov, 2010
Feb 15th 2012 at 9:53:05 AM •••

Yes, it is. It should be added. It was entirely on purpose.

supergeekgirl Since: Nov, 2010
Jun 2nd 2011 at 9:39:09 AM •••

On that whole Charm School thing...

The Boss, while supposedly quite charismatic and obviously highly intelligent, doesn't seem to have any of the seductive qualities EVA seems to have learned. This is all ENTIRELY speculation, mind you, and it has no bearing whatsoever on what is posted on the MGS 3 page, but I wonder what "subject" she taught at said school. And when. EVA is only 20, right?

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