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02:52:14 PM Nov 25th 2017
edited by EBsessed
A whole lot of bad grammar needs fixing. It would be easier if you would unlock this page so I could make these edits myself, but alas...I suppose you would rather make more work for yourself than let others do it for you?

In second paragraph: "A eco-terrorist organisation" should read "An eco-terrorist organization."

Under "Ascend to a Higher Plane of Existence," the whole sentence "Backstory for Advent Children establish his three remnants being formed from pure spiritual energy with a need for any Jenova cells, though the three are incomplete copies of him without them" is a confusing mess.

Under "Black Best Friend," the "specially" in "Barret, specially if you choose him for the tram cut-scene." should be either "specifically" or "especially."

Under "Cognizant Limbs," it says "Emerald Weapons" when it should be singular, not plural.

Under "Damage-Sponge Boss /Marathon Boss," the sentence "Ruby and Emerald WEAPON, who have eight hundred thousand and one million hp , respectively, and you are only able to do 9999 at once, typical strategies for beating them involve using the Game-Breaker summon a couple dozen times" should read, "Ruby and Emerald Weapon have eight-hundred thousand and one million HP respectively, and you are only able to deal 9999 damage at once. Typical strategies for beating them involve using the Game-Breaker summon a couple dozen times." The sentence, "The fight against Emerald WEAPON takes place underwater; you have to either kill it in 20 minutes, or undergo a simple sidequest to allow you to breathe water" utilizes a semicolon and comma incorrectly. It should read, "The fight against Emerald Weapon takes place underwater, and you have to kill it in 20 minutes or undergo a simple sidequest to allow you to breathe underwater." The sentence "Since that isn't very long against something with as many hp as Emerald WEAPON, most people go for the sidequest" should have "HP" capitalized.

Under "Boss Battle," the sentence that says "During the final battle with Sephiroth, you can switch your party members" isn't totally accurate and should read, "During the first segment of the final battle with Sephiroth, you can switch your party members." The segment that reads, "If you bring the hurt and totally wreck Jenova's stuff, you have to split your equipment and materia three ways; having one team defeat Sephiroth's left arm, one team for the right arm, and one team for his core... which will heal the arms back if you take too long. And if you used the infinity plus one summon on it, the final boss gets a boost to its HP. And what's even worse, the numerous parties need to be properly equipped, but once you beat the boss, your main party goes straight on to the Final Boss battle without giving you a chance to swap equipment in-between" is a grammatical nightmare, with sentence fragments and improper punctuation everywhere. It should read, "If you bring the hurt and totally wreck Jenova's stuff, you have to split your party and material three ways, having one team to defeat Sephiroth's left arm, one team for the right arm, and one team for his core...which will heal the arms back if you take too long. If you use the Infinity Plus One summon on it, the final boss gets a boost to its HP. Even worse, the numerous parties need to be properly equipped, but once you beat the boss, your main party goes straight on to the Final Boss battle without giving you a chance to swap equipment in-between." The segment that reads "It's also made worse that if one of your team gets taken down, instant Game Over, even if it's not the team fighting the core (which fights Sephiroth's final form)" should read "It's also made worse that if one of your teams gets taken down, it's instant Game Over, even if it's not the team fighting the core (which fights Sephiroth's final form)."

Under "Broken Aesop," the sentence "The original game had an environmental message about the Lifestream and humans abusing the planet's natural resources to the point there was the chance Holy would see them as a threat and destroy the species" should say "to the point where there was the chance that Holy would," etc.

Under "Can't Drop the Hero," the sentence "Both subverted and played straight; at a couple times in the game, you lose Cloud for a while, to be replaced by Tifa and Cid. Outside of this, however, you truly can't drop the hero" should be split into two sentences, with a period where the semicolon is.

Under "Chekhov's Gunman/Chekhov's Army," the sentence "The connection the events at Nibelheim can be easily missed if the player doesn't stop at Gongaga (or if they do but don't have Aerith in the party) and meet his parents, revealing his actual name" needs fixing. Not sure what it's trying to say, so needs to be rewritten in a way that makes sense.

Under "Chest Monster," in the sentence "Oh, and getting hit by the second hand dumps you into a pit, forces you to fight a pair of Ancient Dragons that surround you, and send you back to near the start of the dungeon (you'll find Cloud's Nail Bat weapon in this pit)," it should say "surrounds you" (since it is worded as the pair that surrounds you) and "send you back" should say "sends you back," since it's getting hit by the second hand that sends you back, not the dragons that send you back.

The "Combat Pragmatist" entry should be removed since it does not happen in this game.

Under "Comically Small Bribe" the spacing is odd on the attempted ellipses before "10 gil" and needs to be fixed. Furthermore, after "You can walk out of town, kill some pansy monsters, and rake in a few hundred," I would like to add "The guard fittingly calls you a cheapass for declining."

Under "Corrupt Corporate Executive," the sentence "The entire senior management of the Shinra company... Cranked Up to Eleven" should remove the space before "Cranked" and the "c" should be lowercase.

Under "Cosmic Keystone," the word "Aptly" should be lowercase.

The "Cry Cute" entry needs removal since Kadaj is not in this game.

Under "Dark and Troubled Past," the weirdly first-person "If that's not dark and troubled, I don't know what is" should be changed to "If that's not dark and troubled, what is?"

Under "Debut Queue," the "(when Cid, the last mandatory member joins)" segment should read either "(when Cid, the last mandatory member, joins)," or "(when the last mandatory member Cid joins)."

The "Also qualifies to Rufus and the Turks in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children" segment tacked onto the "Defeat Means Friendship" entry should be removed since it's irrelevant to this particular game and should be left to the Advent Children page.

Under the "Very Definitely Final Dungeon" segment of "Dungeon Crawling," the word "disks" should be spelled as "discs."

Under "Eco-Terrorist," "AVALANCHE believe" should read as "AVALANCHE believes," since AVALANCHE is the name of a unit, which is singular.

Under "Eldritch Abomination," the sentence "The whole turning people into monsters and driving them insane and impersonating the native race and turning on them after gaining acceptance is kind of pushing it though" should read, "The whole 'turning people into monsters, driving them insane, impersonating the native race, and turning on them after gaining acceptance' thing is kind of pushing it, though."

Under "Even Bad Men Love Their Mamas," the segment about Kadaj should be removed since this character is not in this game.

Under "Everything Trying to Kill You," the sentence should read, "The Sector 6 slums have the Hell House enemy, which is...a small house...that sprouts arms legs and tries to kill you...and for some reason, also shoots out bombs."

...And this is only the first "A-E" section, let alone the entire rest of the page. I'll go ahead and stop noting everything that needs fixing now, as I'm sure my point has been very clearly made. Please consider unlocking this page so people who care about improving it can do so. Thank you.
10:28:18 AM Nov 17th 2017
The link to Dirge of Cerberus under Big Bad Ensemble needs to be fixed.
12:23:58 AM Aug 10th 2016
This page has been locked for about 4 years now, I think it's probably fair to say that the coast is clear. Unlock?
05:21:08 PM Nov 12th 2015
Cloud being in Super Smash Bros needs to be added.
01:54:42 AM Nov 13th 2015
Please use the edit requests thread for edit requests.
09:56:50 AM Jun 19th 2015
edited by MightyKombat
Why do we still have tropes and bits that still solely refer to AC and Do C? This page is about the original game, right?

Ah, forgot about that thread. But yeah I'm gonna make the suggestions there.
07:40:03 PM Jun 15th 2015
Please unlock and update the article due to the reveal that Square Enix will be remaking the game for release as a PS4 timed exclusive. Tetsuya Nomura is the director of the project while Yoshinori Kitase will be returning to pen the script.
03:45:21 AM Jun 16th 2015
We won't be unlocking the article - too much risk of shipping spam. You can ask for a mention here but it's not time for a wholesale rewrite yet.
02:30:21 PM Jun 16th 2015
edited by ashlay
This is going to be a non-issue for awhile given development on this game is probably only beginning and thus there's no trope examples to list, but should there be a new page for the remake when it comes out? Similar to how we have remake pages for say Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles, Mega Man: Maverick Hunter X, Metroid: Zero Mission, etc? (Like those games I'm assuming there will be considerable upgrades, story tweaks, and so on for this.)

And if it should get its own page, should it be locked from the start? Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children and other FFVII "spinoffs" didn't seem to have huge spam issues, but then again they weren't a remake of the original.
01:36:41 AM Jun 17th 2015
I won't lock a remake page pre-emptively, I think.
03:21:25 AM Dec 7th 2015
edited by Krasu
I think it might be enough to just give tropes exclusive to the remake a separate tab here. While unlocking edit completely might not be a good idea as some of the changes are a bit controversial but the two trailers and the recent Nomura interview already gave us:

And most likely:

Open for debate but perhaps even:

With the less colorful tone and more agressive combat. Come to think of it: is also in. After all, the old dev team is returning. Besides Sakaguchi and Uematsu.
07:51:36 AM Dec 7th 2015
It has its own page.

A link to it should be added, though.
08:00:51 AM Feb 28th 2015
Deleted this and putting it here. This example needs to be more consistent with the Five-Man Band setup if it's to be readded.
01:32:45 PM Dec 6th 2014
The pc release is being ported to ps4. Max lost his $#*+ over that one.
08:13:27 AM Dec 8th 2014
Who's Max and why should anyone care?
10:22:38 PM Dec 1st 2014
Is there any sort of standard for dealing with the game's best-known spoiler? Sometimes it's hidden, as in Death from Above, and sometimes it's out in the open, as in Killed Off for Real.

If there isn't one, how about coming to a consensus and asking for a page edit to make things consistent?
11:23:51 PM Dec 1st 2014
Not as far as I know. Not yet, anyhow.
09:37:14 AM Sep 22nd 2014
The article mentions a remake, I have FFVII for Steam on PC (I believe). Could this be considered that remake?
10:08:12 AM Sep 22nd 2014
No, just a rerelease.
10:04:25 AM Oct 31st 2013
Oddly enough, though the trope "Back from the Dead" says it cannot be done, with the PC versions of FFVII you can have Aerith at the final battle of the game with "Yuffie Warping". It's weird stuff:
10:22:24 AM Oct 31st 2013
It's not saying it's impossible. There's a game shark code that lets you use her throughout the game on the PS version. What it's saying is that, as part of the storyline, she stays dead.
06:50:31 AM Aug 21st 2013
Switching from harvesting the mystical life force of your planet to oil, listed as a Broken Aesop, does indeed prompt a headdesk. Which particular rock have you been living under the past couple decades?

Modern oil power plants have considerably less environmental impact then wind-powered-money-eaters, not to mention something as crass as Mako reactors. Same with coal. Now look at the kind of lesson taught to the people over the course of FF 7 and tell me how they're going to repeat Victorian England and communist East Europe.

(Ranty tone due to the topic being locked with annoyingly naive content).
07:11:46 AM Aug 21st 2013
You know, acting smug and self-superior isn't really the best way of getting your point across.
02:28:49 PM May 25th 2013
Any chance there could be a trope page for Final Fantasy VII Abridged? Or would I be on the wrong page to ask for that?
05:51:36 AM May 30th 2013
02:37:10 PM May 6th 2013
edited by

Does the Black Materia qualify as a MacGuffin? Yes, it is an object that people are persuing, but the game goes into clear detail on its origins, significance, and purpose. Parts of the story would change significantly if the weapon of mass destruction were swapped to, say, a nuke.
02:22:53 PM May 4th 2013
"With a big-ass Colony Drop in the sky barrelling down on them, panicked civilians running for the hills, a veritable Quirky Mini Boss Squad of giant Eldritch Abominations roaming the lands"...

They're not Eldritch Abominations, they're Kaiju at best.
12:35:17 PM Apr 12th 2013
edited by
Anyone have any problems with me making Last Order: Final Fantasy VII into its own page?
02:13:21 PM Oct 6th 2012
"Your Limit gauge automatically fills during the battle as well. The developers probably intended to have you defeat him with an Omnislash, but if you select Level 1 Limit Breaks, it takes a few Bravers to do it."

Whoever wrote that has no idea what he's talking about. Cloud gets Omnislash for that final battle regardless of what Limit Level he has assigned prior to it, and a single strike kills Sephiroth anyway.
12:24:36 PM Oct 12th 2012
edited by Fighteer
Go here to request changes to locked pages. I'll take care of this one.
10:38:54 PM Aug 4th 2012
Shouldn't "All Love is Unrequited" be updated due to the Ultimania book pretty much saying Tifa and Cloud slept together before going down into the Crater to fight Sephiroth? i think the book also explains that the Cloud/Aerith interaction is more a sense of duty and their connection to Zack than anything else.
11:07:36 PM Aug 4th 2012
The rest of the page acknowledges that they do get together, and since this page already got locked over shipping, it's best to not poke at it again. Regardless, the unrequited love theme is still relevant for a lot of the base game between the two of them.
03:14:18 AM May 24th 2012
A bit of a headache since the page is locked and probably going to stay that way, but perhaps a main page for the entire Compilation can be created, and this page can stay focused on the original game?
04:26:12 AM Apr 16th 2012
Minor detail—can we add a link to the "Boom Headshot" trope? This is what happens to one of the WEAPO Ns when it decides to take a peek down the gun barrel at Junon harbor
07:20:34 AM Apr 17th 2012
Request edits in this thread, not in Discussion.
03:11:16 PM Feb 25th 2012
edited by VeryMelon
This page was locked because of a Cloud x Aerith shipper? Really?
01:59:53 PM Feb 27th 2012
What, seriously? Well, there goes this page's chances of ever being useful in the future.
08:54:47 AM Mar 21st 2012
Was gonna edit this page and just noticed this myself. It's been a month, how about we lift it?
09:11:21 AM Mar 22nd 2012
As it says in Locked Pages, go here to request edits to the article. If you want to help, report shippers as soon as they show up and try to edit.

Also, the page is useful as-is; it contains an absurd number of tropes. I don't see how you can possibly draw the conclusion above.
01:52:01 PM Mar 22nd 2012
Because locked pages always seem to turn into unchanging archives. I've watched a number of once-useful pages lose their relevance as most users don't even realize you can request edits elsewhere. I mean, yea, I do, but I've been on this site for like, five years, I know my way around.

FF 7 isn't that active at the moment, but it's something that does get dragged out on a repeated basis by its license holder. If another extension pops up or that long-fabled remake, well, now the page is perma-locked.
02:08:19 PM Mar 22nd 2012
It's not permanent necessarily. I may consider opening it up again at some point, but I can't honestly tell until I do if it's just going to get invaded by the shipping wars again.

The game is what, fifteen years old? It's not changing, folks.
07:13:34 PM Mar 22nd 2012
I think it hit 15 last year, yea. But it's an IP Square loves to drag out for funsies, so it stays semi-active.

I can understand temp locks, I've just seen too many pages turn into graveyards.
09:28:40 PM Aug 8th 2012
Several little things I would like to request be added.

1. Under "Blind Idiot Translation" first sub-line, the line "You're a Turks."

2. Under "Anti-Climax Boss/Zero-Effort Boss" The part where it talks about the final Sephiroth hitting with a percentage based attack. It has been proven that, were someone to hack the HP to 1, Sephiroth's attack would hit for 0 damage.

3. Under "Final Boss, New Dimension." Safer Sephiroth is not supposed to be Sepher Sephiroth. It is supposed to be Seraph Sephiroth. Hence the six wings, which is part of a Biblical passage describing two wings that flew, two wings that covered their feet (mistranslation, it meant covered their groin) and two that covered their faces. Hell, the whole game's full of Biblical references. JENOVA is a mixture of Jehovah and Nova (meaning New), and Sephiroth is based on Sephirot, a Jewish word referring to the seven manifestations of God. That can be added under the category "The Bible" if you so desire.

4. Under "Gameplay and Story Segregation," It is said in Disc 3 that it's Judgement Day, the day the meteor will collide with the planet. You can still go and sleep all night at an inn...

5. Add "Shaped Like Itself." One of the characters at Cosmo Canyon replies "Nanaki is Nanaki" when the party asks who Nanaki is. Also, if one had the foresight to name Red XIII "Nanaki..."
06:59:37 AM Aug 9th 2012
Please request changes to locked articles here. When you do so, present your changes as completed markup, not directions.
04:43:54 AM Oct 12th 2011
Wouldn't it be better to list the tropes by categories (narrative, gameplay, meta etc.) instead of alphabetically, like it's done with the page of, say, The Reconstruction?
02:32:37 PM Aug 28th 2011
One thing bugs me plenty: I suppose it's fair to say that Cloud is a poster boy for Onehanded Zweihander stuff, but in fact, I don't recall ever seeing him thrust his BFS with one hand. Yeah, he spins and unsheathes it with one hand alright, but in combat he always holds it in two hands, iirc. The point is, shouldn't we at least remark that somehow?
12:50:24 PM Jul 24th 2011
Is there a reason to have two Headscratchers links at the top of the page?
03:51:41 AM Jul 15th 2011
Should we start grooming this article for trope entries related to specific installments of the Compilation (as opposed to the original game), nearly all of which have their own articles on this wiki, or keep them here?
02:24:36 PM Jul 11th 2011
What's all this about Lovecraft?

I looked it up, couldn't find any of that in Strange Case.

I've never actually read the story, but if someone could prove that the Lovecraft shout-out exists, please do so.
07:38:21 PM May 4th 2011
OK, get your flamethrowers out. Is it Aeris or Aerith?
08:21:43 PM Jun 28th 2011
edited by Rebochan
Amazing. Nothing happened.

Aerith, since that's the only spelling the people who made the game use anymore. Outside of one translation.

I just want them to remake the game to make the "Aeris" freaks heads explode when an obvious translation error isn't recognized as the canon they think it is.
06:37:10 AM Jul 8th 2011
Well they keep calling her Aerith, I never minded her name actually, but I used to think they should pick one and use it in something new (movie: advent children, more games: crisis core, etc. etc.) so that people would think hey whether it was an error or not, they're gonna use this one, it's canon now so lets move on. I didn't knew the full power of the fans and Fandumb before, how naive I was back then.
08:12:48 PM Jul 25th 2011
Aerisu. If you want to make the argument that the kanji was flawed and want to go with original, English-inspired intentions in nomenclature, then fine. Her name is now "Aerth." Anyone want to call her "Aerth"? Not allowing my hypothetical adversary to respond, I will simply say I didn't think so. Because it looks like "Garth."
07:13:45 AM Jul 26th 2011
No, her name is Aerith. Because they call her Aerith in everything. Now you're just being stupid.
02:27:50 PM Aug 28th 2011
In fact, the exact translation of エアリス should be "Earis", or "Earith" or maybe even "Earth", following secondtime's logic. Seems like they changed it just like Tina/Terra's the original one would sound lame to american auditory. As for translations, both breath "th" and "s" would turn into ス(su) when transliterated. So, the way to transliterate ス in a supposedly exotic name is totally ambiguous. The point is, that is not a translation error and it shouldn't be called such.

Well, it's not like it matters much, but I hope that made things a little clearer. Cheers.
08:57:11 PM Apr 25th 2011
edited by Tylerox9
mistakes were made. nm this post
09:04:00 PM Apr 25th 2011
07:57:42 AM Apr 26th 2011
It's TropeNamer. As in "where we got the name for the trope." So long as the names come from this game, then it's the trope namer.

Trope Namer does not mean it's the first, best, or most relevant usage of the trope, all it means is that that's where we picked the name from.
10:58:33 PM Apr 23rd 2011
edited by themadfujoshi
On the Fantastic Aesop, it's not only that we learn from the game if we find Earth's energy, WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT, at least in the petroleum and coal area. It's more like a Green Aesop.

It's obvious that one of the topics of the game is about Earth's resources. Lifestream being the representation of said resources, particularly coal in my opinion, and Mako energy being gasoline. Basically one of the many topics the game shouts about, is that the humans are literally consuming Earth's lifeforce, and what can result of playing God .

I'm not a God freak or anything, but we all know that experiments can go seriously wrong (i.e Sephiroth). I wouldn't be surprised if, in fact, Mad Scientists are creating SOLDIER, or even worse, Sephiroth, just because it's him... Better for them (and us) creating Cloud too (in resume FFVII happening somewhere around the world).
12:26:31 AM Mar 20th 2011
The Five Man Band is a real mess. Cid's obligatory for FF games, Yuffie and Vincent are optional, Cait Sith's evil. So, should I delete it to leave the core five?
03:29:23 PM Mar 18th 2011
We've gone quite a while without shippers attacking the page!
06:40:43 AM Jan 2nd 2011
Why do people keep deleting Reno's note about being a Karma Houdini and/or Draco in Leather Pants? It doesn't matter how you try to justify it, he was given an order to murder hundreds of people and he did it without any repercussions. That's a clear indication of a Karma Houdini, so why does it keep being removed? Statistically speaking, he probably kills more people than Sephiroth.
06:49:16 AM Jan 2nd 2011
edited by MagBas
Without "any" repercussions? He ended in the hospital after this!
06:53:30 AM Jan 2nd 2011
edited by BritBllt
Nobody deleted the Karma Houdini note, it's right there beneath Rufus and Palmer. And Draco in Leather Pants is on the YMMV page (Reno's listed on it too).
04:01:20 AM Jan 3rd 2011
I was referring more to the character page rather than the main article. And yes he was in hospital, but he got better. All the people in Midgar, on the other hand...
04:07:18 AM Jan 3rd 2011
edited by MagBas
Scot-free means NO payment. If he was in the hospital because of his actions, he was not "scot-free".
02:39:05 PM Jan 20th 2011
Fair point. I'm still bugged by it, though. I mean, his hospital visit was probably nothing compared to the people of Sector Seven (I'm assuming that a Turk would get, or at least be able to afford, far better medical treatment than Joe Blogs off the street).
08:11:26 AM Jan 21st 2011
The people of Sector Seven were squashed flat. I don't think any quality medical treatment's going to do much for them.
03:17:46 PM Jul 5th 2010
A note for Fridge Logic: There is only one real way to get into the Gold Saucer for the rest of the world who is not you. The Gold Saucer is a popular place where money flows like water. Why is the town you have to go through to get to the tram dirt poor? That sort of run-off trade is why people put cities near interstate highways. It should be at least less poor than it is.
10:09:28 AM Nov 10th 2010
If you want to add a note to Fridge Logic, You Could Always Edit It Yourself. Just make sure it goes in the Fridge namespace.
12:27:36 AM May 25th 2010
Sudden flurry of edits? How did I KNOW it was shippers again? I must be psychic!
02:39:14 PM May 20th 2010
Anyone know what part of Dirge of Cerberus the phone call between Vincent and Cloud is? The one where Cloud sounded upbeat. I would so love to hear that.
10:07:31 AM Nov 10th 2010
I think it's during the final assault on Midgar. Cloud, if I remember correctly, is talking on the phone while fighting Rosso the Crimson, and seems to be having a good time of it all things considered.
03:58:38 PM Apr 25th 2010
Why was my Crapsack World entry removed here?
07:10:33 PM Apr 25th 2010
Because it's not a Crapsack World?

Yea, bad stuff happened. That doesn't make it a Crapsack World unless there is nothing positive in it at all. The entire point of the game was showing that wasn't true.
02:06:07 AM Apr 26th 2010
From the Crapsack World description:

"A mutable Crapsack World simply starts out as crappy, but a determined protagonist and his posse, be they the Knight In Shining Armor or a simple old PI, can actually cause positive changes in the setting."

Hell, I see series on that page who have it off better than the FF 7 world.
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