Video Game Dissidia Final Fantasy Discussion

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07:37:46 PM Jun 11th 2012
edited by TheAirman
So, what exactly happened to the WMG page?
12:28:58 AM Jun 12th 2012
There has never been one; feel free to start the page at WMG.Dissidia Final Fantasy.
11:43:22 AM Jun 17th 2012
edited by TheAirman
No, there was a WMG page, and for some period of time after it was deleted, there was a red-link to it on the videogames WMG list. I remember there being multiple theories regarding who would be new to 012, the fate of 012 warriors, what happens to Shinryu after he entered the rift, a theory that gave four options for what Prishe named Wo L, and another theory that guessed Wo L's true name is Cid due to him being a perfect clone.

NONE of these are on any of the pages. I'm not looking to make more WM Gs, I'm just curious as to why the page was erased.
12:08:05 AM Jul 11th 2012
I'm wondering why there isn't one either. They could've just removed a lot of stuff, but now it's all gone.
01:00:40 AM Jul 11th 2012
Found it. It was deleted along with the ptitle.

Want me to restore it?
03:24:26 PM Jul 12th 2012
Yes, I think we should restore it. We can cut out the speculation for 012, but I think a lot of the WMG page still is relevant.
07:36:09 PM Sep 1st 2012
I second the motion to restore the page, with 012 speculation cut out.
03:37:44 AM Sep 22nd 2011
Seeing as how it was done for Foe Yay, and there would definitely be enough content to fill such a page, could we have give the Dissidia page its own subpage for Mythology Gag?
06:44:38 PM Apr 28th 2011
Under Foregone conclusion, one of the edits references Sephiroth's apparent suicide. Here's a cute one, but I'm not sure how to classify it: In Duodecim, Sephiroth's suicide is completely removed from the visible storyline, including in the 13th cycle where it was originally mentioned in dialogue (said dialogue now not existing at all). The only place in the entire game that it's mentioned is in his character bio, where crucial parts of his story become nothing but a text dump.

Established facts become "All There in the Manual"? Expunged for squick?
07:38:55 AM Mar 28th 2011
About the Five Man Band stuff, really what's up with that? The section talks about the traditional roles but not about the band itself, because as I edited it to say there *is* no actual five-man band in the game aside from maybe Cloud's group if you include Terra. To say the roles shift around is fine, but that's not what the trope is about. Most characters travel in pairs, so how you can say the roles of five-man band shift around them when most of the time there's only two and sometimes three of them is something I don't understand.
02:25:19 PM Mar 29th 2011
There's no neccesity for strictly five people travelling as a group to create classic five man band dynamics, which I'd say the group led by Lightning and Cloud do exhibit but for starters

Lightning: Sticks strickly to being The Hero. Kain: Plays both The Lancer and The Sixth Ranger. Laguna: Plays a Bumbling Team Dad variant of The Smart Guy. Vaan: Plays a Tagalong Kid variant of The Smart Guy, with a bit of Lancer. Yuna: Plays as The Chick and The Heart. Tifa: Plays as The Chick and The Big Guy, with a bit of Team Mom.

The Hero: Cloud, the others look up to him as level-headed and collected The Lancer: Cecil, the most leader-like besides Cloud. The Smart Guy: Tidus, plays up the Keet angle of his character a bit more and fights with She Fu. The Big Guy: Firion, in Dissidia 012 is the Assist to the other characters in their stories. The Chick/The Sixth Ranger: Terra

So The Hero's (Cloud) clear counterbalance (Firion), becomes theBigGuy on account of stuff that happens long before they form a group. Tifa, the one that reaches out to the Lancer (Kain) and makes him reconcile with the rest of the group is the Big Guy on account of her fighting style, while Yuna, becomes The Heart because.. I assume her role in FFX. Laguna and Vaan, who get most of their dialogue from unerlining Laguna irreliability become back-to-back smart guys and Tidus being all young and reckless also become The Smart Guy.

This isn't gonna work.
10:43:03 PM Mar 27th 2011
I don't think the Never Live It Down entries should be moved to YMMV here. I get that the trope normally is such, but here it's an in-universe case, embarrassing events are being referenced by the game itself, not the fandom. It's the game and the developers that are not letting Firion and Vaan live down their old shames, it's the fans, so I don't think it's YMMV in that it can't be disputed this is what happens.
02:15:35 PM Feb 5th 2011
In what universe are Blizzaga, Genesis Rock, Full Slide and "Shantotto's entire moveset" Game Breakers?
09:19:45 AM Feb 20th 2011
they aren't game breakers but they are very powerful moves, and if an ai usees bizzaga its an almost guaranteed break.
10:01:26 PM Jan 18th 2011
With the release of Duodecim soon and the release of Prologous, does anyone else think that we should have separate entries for the two games? Or at least separate tropes on the same page.
10:07:01 PM Jan 18th 2011
edited by TheWealthyAardvark
Agreed, I remember something similar occurred with the Starcraft page when SC2 came out.
10:25:25 PM Jan 18th 2011
Not really sure. I doubt Duodecim and Prologous would add enough to need to warrant another article. If anything, we could do like the Toy Story page.
04:49:12 PM Jan 18th 2011
AHEM! Ehm, regarding one of the latest edits in the new characters section... how come now we know about Yuna's underwear?
03:11:42 AM Jan 13th 2011
edited by TheWealthyAardvark
I'm a bit confused as to the spoilers mentioned in Late Arrival Spoiler here. We consider the information that Golbez is Cecil's brother a spoiler since mentions of such are marked, but the character sheet has no problems mentioning Golbez's appearance in The After Years. And then there's say, Jecht being the Final Aeon and Terra being half-Esper, which are not marked as spoilers anywhere else except that entry.

Can I suggest we remove spoilers for instances where the original game is spoiled by Dissidia, particularly Cecil and Golbez being brothers? Also, between Dissidia making it a major plot point from Turn One and the many remakes of FF4 over the years in addition to the age of the game, I think their relationship has likely entered It Was His Sled territory.
07:42:00 PM Sep 18th 2010
*Foregone Conclusion: Duodecim, being a prequel...

Where does it say this!? I mean, I can understand Wild Mind Guessing that the Doudecim (meaning Twelve) might stand for the cycle's number (as the original Dissidia's Cycle was the 13º), but is there an actual Word of God source of this???
07:54:41 PM Sep 18th 2010
edited by SchizoTechnician
I'm going by the "its not wild mass guessing if its completely bleeding obvious" school of thought. All indications from what we've seen so far point to Chaos and Cosmos not being dead yet, so it can't be a sequel, especially given that they all go back to their own worlds in the end. So its pretty clearly a prequel.

The prequel is named Dissidia 12 Duodecim, or Dissidia 12 Twelve. With a name like that, it would be a dramatic spoiler-worthy plot twist if it wasn't cycle 12.

08:10:56 PM Sep 18th 2010
08:11:08 PM Sep 18th 2010
I get what you're saying, yet I'll raise one point, though. You do know that the Epilogue scene of the first Dissidia confirms that, in the end, neither Cosmos nor Chaos died and that the battles would repeat again eventually, right?

On a personal note, I'm hoping you're wrong but not because of proving you wrong or anything like that, but because I'd expect Square-Enix not to be THIS bloody obvious...
08:19:34 PM Sep 18th 2010
Can I suggest then we let it as unknown then whenever it's a prequel or sequel? I say this because I've seen many "Sequel -> Prequel" changes all over the page, and I think they should be changed back.
08:32:15 PM Sep 18th 2010
Go for it.
04:43:58 PM Oct 13th 2010
I'm also for ending the prequel/sequel debate and letting it be unknown, given the ambiguity of the statement in that article that it's both a sequel and a prequel. Nomura does say directly in the article that Duodecim deals with the 12th cycle, though, so there are conclusions that can be drawn from that.
08:09:49 AM Jun 11th 2010
edited by MightyJAK
Shortened the entry for Lukahn in the Characters page from:
  • A character mentioned only in the Cosmos Report and in the Koan of Warrior of Light. He recorded Cosmos’ memories and may have been involved in her ascension as a Goddess. He is from the Origins Remake/Compillation of Final Fantasy I and II, being the one that foretold the arrival of the Four Warriors of Light.
  • A character mentioned only in the Cosmos Report and in the Koan of Warrior of Light. He recorded Cosmos’ memories and may have been involved in her ascension as a Goddess. He is from Final Fantasy I, being the one that foretold the arrival of the Four Warriors of Light.

The prior wording made it sound like Lukahn was only in the remake, rather than the original game. This, of course, is not the case.
03:33:46 PM Jun 11th 2010
Well, I actually thought he was only in the Remake. Haven't played those games really, just been doing research around. Not enough, it seems. ^^U
07:41:22 PM Sep 18th 2010

Where does it say this!? I mean, I can understand Wild Mind Gessing that the Doudecim (meaning Twelve) might stand for the cycle's number (as the original Dissidia's Cycle was the 13º), but is there an actual Word of God source of this???
01:10:34 AM Jun 4th 2010
In a similar vein to the above, I took out most of the "Computer Is A Cheating Bastard" section— it was just getting (again) to be an exhaustive list of every single thing the computer-controlled characters ever did that annoyed anyone. IDK, if anyone thinks there are any examples of it that are really outstanding you can go ahead and re-add them, but it kind of seems at this point that if given half a chance, people will just keep using it as a soapbox to complain.
10:07:03 AM May 30th 2010
Cut the entire Hey It's That Voice entry. HITV is when the voice actor is distinctive, or is using a distinctive voice, to the point that it's immediately recognizable even if you don't know who the actor is. It's not just a cast list or "same actor also played," which is how it's being used here.
10:27:28 AM May 30th 2010
Why, thank you, thank you! I couldn't stand that goddamn list anymore! ^^U
02:46:49 PM May 30th 2010
I'd respectfully request that we restore the entry if only for Keith David voicing Chaos in his Goliath voice.
02:01:19 PM Jun 4th 2010
And for Johnny Yong Bosch using a very recognizable Ichigo (and sometimes Lelouch) voice for Firion.

But only those two. Heck, I'm the one who doubled the size of the list by adding the English voices, and I agree that it was getting out of hand. If at all, we should only have those voices that are distinctive and recognizable.
03:32:58 PM Sep 10th 2010
Same here. It seems like most tropers who add this to pages think of it as a mere list of what voice actors and in it.
10:00:26 AM Sep 11th 2010
Belatedly, Keith David definitely qualifies as an example; his voice is very distinctive. I'm not familiar enough with Johnny Yong Bosch to tender an opinion on how recognizable his Firion voice is.

I'm not going to add them, because I suspect that as soon as HITV shows back up on the page people are going to start tacking gratuitous "x also played" non-examples onto it, but I won't complain if someone else wants to put them in.
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