Useful Notes Transgender Discussion

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05:59:51 PM Aug 5th 2017
Not exactly a discussion topic, I just want to say thank you to the people who edited this article. I made a few tiny corrections relating to some conflation of sex and gender. The links about the brain structure studies at the bottom are also excellent help.
07:06:42 AM Dec 2nd 2014
I find the autism bit unnecessary to the article. It has unfortunate implications (at leas with the focus on the trans male autistic person) and seems to support the "male brain" theory of autism which as been debunked. The idea is still popular with lay folk at large, and contributes to a misunderstanding of autism. In general I think the connection between autism and being transgender shouldn't be brought up because many people, in trying to understand or justify it, further stigmatize transgender autistic people. For example, the idea that autistic people think they are transgender because they lack the ability to understand what gender is, and if they had this understanding, they would know that they really are what they were assigned at birth.
07:32:21 AM Dec 2nd 2014
I agree. We don't need that sort of implication.
09:35:03 AM Dec 2nd 2014
Huh - I didn't see this discussion. My apologies for reverting your edit.

As far as I know "male brain" is definitively not debunked. Nope. I am not seeing Unfortunate Implications at all, either.
01:06:29 PM Dec 2nd 2014
[1] [2] [3]

The implications is that autistic girls, or autistic transwomen can not exist because it is in conflict with the idea that autism inherently genders a brain. Consider, girls and women are extremely under diagnosed and therefor are less likely to get the support they need. There is also a lot of sexism in autistic spaces because extreme male brain theory coupled with "boys will be boys" and "oh, he's autistic, he doesn't understand boundaries" leads to a lot of inexcusable behavior that tends to mostly hurt autistic girls (who are more likely to be punished or other wise taught not to have boundaries than autistic boys).

Extrem Male Brian Theory being debunked [4] See also the criticism section on the Other Wiki [5] [6]

PS: and in general, if you look further, most articles are going to use out dated language and total ignore the existence of non-binary individuals. Which, if a gendered brain was a credible theory, there would be evidence of.
01:16:23 PM Dec 2nd 2014
I've seen plenty of science contradicting all these things you are citing. So yeah, until science has settled on stuff (which will probably take years) that won't be enough.
01:36:13 PM Dec 2nd 2014
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Septimus, no offense intended, but that answer is demanding us to provide evidence you'll accept, which is not productive to an argument. "I've seen stuff that contradicts this" doesn't help. At the very least, we could compare your sources. Let me demonstrate why:

"I have conclusive evidence that Black persons are human and there is no substantial difference between them and Whites."
"I've seen many sources contradicting that, so it seems to be undecided."

Also, if the argument is that this "isn't conclusive" (meaning no scientific consensus), then that's all the more reason to remove the entry as it argues a conclusive point.
06:27:22 PM Nov 29th 2013
SRS and other procedures as "optional." I know what is meant by this, in that not all transgender people need these procedures, but it may also give the impression that no one really "needs" it, when there is in fact evidence of medical necessity of such procedures in certain cases.

04:29:57 AM Nov 30th 2013
True. Edited to "only one of the transition options available which a person may or may not need" — does that work better?
04:51:38 PM Oct 10th 2012
Once upon a time there was a very helpful article discouraging people from having SRS, told by firsthand experience, either on this page, or pages related to it. I have come back to cite it elsewhere, but I can't find the relevant link. Does it still exist somewhere? Does anyone have it?
09:22:35 AM Oct 13th 2012
Maybe this one?

I remember reading the Dani Bunten article that's excerpted, but don't recall seeing the rest of the page before.
02:31:00 AM Jan 12th 2012
edited by PillowCaseLaw
Gender Euphoria

Justification for deletion of second paragraph

The second paragraph of the section on Gender Euphoria contained claims of fact and claims of judgment that were not in line with known psychological standards, nor even in agreement with the Light In The Closet article linked to only sentences prior. It is my position that this paragraph contained no useful information and in fact only put forward an anti-trans position based solely on the inserting editor's personal or religious opinions.
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