Just for the record.
I'm a proud fur and I kinda LO Led at the Geek chart.
It may not be very flattering but it kinda feels true sometimes as a fur.
I'm just saying.. :)
Hide / Show Replies"Every internet subculture has their own share of laughable idiots"
AMEN!
There should be a trope for this...
You mean Taurinfox's expression of his dismay of the state of Gay Rights in the U.S.?
Most of the Wangst-art is made by furry artists, for themselves and their fans, as an emotional expression: True Art Is Angsty, after all. It isn't drawn as an attempt for them to say "Love Me!" more than anyone else, furry or not. So, it seems to be more a problem with Artists (or the fans of the Artist or his/her genre of art) who get worked up over not being appreciated for their works than a strictly-Furry phenomenon
^^ Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory, if I'm not mistaken.
Likes: being left alone, food. Dislikes: You personally, even if we never met.FTP, STFU. If someone's not hurting anyone, like directly, provably, hurting an actual person with a name, you don't get to make fun of them. Go do something you enjoy instead. (And if you enjoy making fun of people? Then you're just an abusive bully.)
Someone needs to add in a brief history of the Furry fandom. Also someone should add in a handful of notable works in the Furry Fandom.
Edited by Albino_Axolotl When you're not the father, It's a great big surprise. Thats-a-Maury. Hide / Show RepliesReally late comment, but I agree. I think we should have a list of works made by the furry community. Maybe a list of works that are commonly embraced by the furry community, but that would be an incredibly long and subjective list.
Well, I, for one, am glad that we can always rely on TV Tropes to keep a fair, unbiased opinion on certain controversial topics like this. Unlike a certain Encyclopaedia Dramatica.
Help, going slightly mad, Great King Rat just died. Send Queen albums and AD&D 2e materials. Maybe some fellow gamers.Where the fuck did all the content on this page go?
Hide / Show RepliesZapped because it was troping real people, which we don't do.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanMost of that reads like it specifically refers to people.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanHow common are us furry lifestylers anyway?
Cola and meal please no bread.I'd like to know why this page exists as if the furry fandom is a collective work of fiction or shared universe rather than an extremely loose, often times debatable classification for works both professional and amateur. If nothing else, I propose all tropes be purged and replaced with a list of works that fall under the furry umbrella, or have elements that would make them noticeable among participants of the fandom.
Edited by 68.201.36.89 Hide / Show RepliesYou might want to direct that first question to Trope Talk. To my understanding, it's because it is often depicted in works.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanUm, I'm pretty sure otherkin and therians aren't a subgroup of furries. Some are furries, but some aren't.
Why isn't there a YMMV page? Especially on a controversial topic such as this, you'd think there'd be a YMMV.
Hide / Show RepliesTropes don't get YMMV pages.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanIs this a trope, though? It looks to me more like a group that has tropes associated with them. Is there a category for groups?
Well, as-is it's a trope-like thing. Besides, being controversial is an argument against documenting opinions on it.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanBut then there are pages with YMMV like Anita Sarkeesian, Roblox, Gone Home, ect, all of which are regular kindles to Flame Wars anywhere else. It was my understanding YMMV pages existed to channel all the hate and praise into a separate page to keep the main page neutral.
There is no page for the former and both the latter are work pages.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanOkay, sorry, it redirects to Feminist Frequency. Currently, this page looks more like a list of tropes relating to something than a trope within itself, which raises the question as to what kind of page this is. I can't see anything this page closely resembles on What Page Types Mean.
We REALLY need to change the picture to something else. That CSI episode didn't do ANY reserch, and I don't like it up their. How about a fur pic, or a group of fursuiters or something?
YOU! OBEY THE FIST! Hide / Show RepliesI can definitely do that. Off to change!
"So, I've been trapped in The Library for the last thousand years. Shadows are boring, but I have books to keep me busy."^ Thank-you. Despite what every one says, most artwork IS that. Cute widdle animal-people.
YOU! OBEY THE FIST!I'm glad you like this new image better.
"So, I've been trapped in The Library for the last thousand years. Shadows are boring, but I have books to keep me busy."they DID do research, for the record.
The furs in that show are a group of RL furs.
A FRINGE group of RL furs, admittedly. But furs nonetheless.
The CSI picture is a far more noteworthy representation of the Furry Fandom in pop-culture and media. I move to revert.
I disagree. The trope picture is supposed to best represent the page topic, not be the one with the most mainstream recognizability.
Does anyone know the source of the image? Is it from a mainstream source or something fandom-made?
In a twist of fate that I'm sure will satisfy those who sought to re-add the CSI image, the artist was recently arrested on child pornography charges.
"or enjoying something as elaborate as furrydom's perhaps most significant de facto artistic and financial mainstream media success, the internationally popular Kung Fu Panda film franchise by Dreamworks Animation."
This is a bit specific isn't it? I honestly don't see any reason for kung-fu panda to be exclusively mentioned anywhere in this article. There are hundreds of movies that could be considered even remotely furry, so why mention this one in particular?
I'm a bit confused here: Is Furry Fandom a trope, a useful notes page, or a work? On one hand I'm seeing it being used as a trope for certain works, on the other hand the description is written a bit like a useful notes page, and on the other other hand we have tropes describing the fandom. Are these tropes describing a trope?
Hide / Show RepliesConsidering the fact that it is a fandom united by a love of a certain subset of fiction, revolving around many different works rather than just one (the way Doctor Who is), I would think it should be a Useful Notes page. It'd be giving all the information about the fandom, and allow for the list of tropes related to it, and for that matter could have a list of well known works too. Farther down the page people had discussed making it a Useful Notes page but it seems they never did. As for why it is referenced on work pages as a trope, that is probably a misuse, although whether the fandom is referenced in a work is notable enough to be listed among its tropes, I think, due to its unique nature.
I'm 'knew' to this whole 'furry' stuff and can't find much of a definition for it. I wanted to know how you call Interspecies Romance between a human and an anthropomorphic animal/thing? Like Belle and the Beast? (Is Belle a furry?) It seems furry interspecies romance only pairs up the 'furries'.
Hide / Show RepliesInterspecies romance is a pretty all encompassing trope. If two different species have a romantic relationship, with one being human, furry, alien, what have you, and the other being a species that is different from the first (an anthropomorphic raccoon and an anthro rat would apply, as would either of the aforementioned paired with a human, or a human paired with an alien, or an elf paired with an alien....) the trope is appropriate. As far as I know a specific term for human-furry romance doesn't exist.
That way, furry fills half of the fiction in excistence. It makes me wonder how one can not be a furry. I mean, Warner Bros, Disney, random cartoons. Especially WB 'sexualised' many of their (anthropomorphic) animals. Minerva Mink for example. I do not understand why this subject is so infamous.
See, most people like at least something featuring an anthropomorphic animal (I love Warner Brothers cartoons, for example), but the furry fandom is a recent phenomenon with sexual connotations that most people are either ignorant of or disapprove of. That sexualization causes a lot of the infamy, along with furries' stereotypically poor internet etiquette and the exhibitionism.
It comes down to the Minerva Mink thing - a fan of anthropomorphic animals will see the sexualization as a joke, while a furry will view the sexuality in an erotic way. I know, I know, furries aren't all about sex. That's what I've been told to believe, at least, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
"All evidence to the contrary" being what you see reported by people, right? By that logic, humanity as a whole is nothing but criminals and assholes, going by what's reported in the news. :P
Somewhat more seriously, it's the extremes that get mentioned because they are "extreme". If you were looking at someone's average day, would you be likely to make any particular note of their breathing, scratching themselves, or using the toilet?
Edited by Nohbody All your safe space are belong to Trumpmatthew, all human beings are sexual creatures. Period. Even the furs. Of course it's about sex.
And before anyone flips I'm a fur.
Also, people need to stop listening to the Moral Guardians and believing that Sex Is Evil. There's nothing wrong with the fact that furries (or anybody) are sexual beings; it's just an overreaction by the prudish people to the Vocal Minority of the fandom. Fetishes are a different story, but the characters being sexualized generally, or the members of the fandom being sexual beings, means nothing in the scheme of things, and the sooner people realize this and calm down, the better.
How do I make a Fursona? Do I just pick my favorite animal or just take a personality quiz? I like odd animals like Armadillos and Alligators so I'm not sure how to make one? also I messed up the one above so maybe delete that one?
Hide / Show RepliesThis article is opinionated. All pro-furry propaganda should be purged, and replaced with anti-furry literature in order to restore the balance.
Hide / Show Replieswell, that's kinda... Stupid... To be honest, what balance? Tv Tropes is Pro-furry, right?
YOU! OBEY THE FIST!actually tv tropes is inparcial ,they only put the facts about furry . and its better all pro furry propaganda should be purged and replaced with facts that teach how the furry must be without all porn an fetishes
We see you trolling. Moral Guardian. So hateable. It's funny.
"So, I've been trapped in The Library for the last thousand years. Shadows are boring, but I have books to keep me busy."Balance? How the hell is "anti-furry" over "pro-furry" a balance? "All pro-furry propaganda should be purged", that is just blatant trolling, how are neutral facts supposed to be "propaganda" anyway? The article is fine as it is.
You are so whiny! Is funny to me.
Edited by TechUnadept Likes: being left alone, food. Dislikes: You personally, even if we never met.How do I make a Fursona? Do I just pick my favorite animal or just take a personality quiz? I like odd animals like Armadillos and Alligators so I'm not sure how to make one?
I have nothing against furries, but honestly: read the article. It not only looks like it was written by furries, it explicitly states that it was written by them. I know, we aren't The Other Wiki and thus don't require neutral articles...but come on!
Hide / Show RepliesI'm working on revisions that make it neutral, but it's difficult with the constant changing.
"So, I've been trapped in The Library for the last thousand years. Shadows are boring, but I have books to keep me busy."Its not like the article only lists out the positives, it is trying to tell the facts, however pretty or ugly it may be. Even though it may have been written by furries, look at the nightmare fuel and other such tropes, it isn't really all out pro-furry in any way.
can we please not turn TV Tropes into a furbashing site? This is one of the few non-furry sites I can go to without being stamped "freak"
YOU! OBEY THE FIST!Exactly, the article is neutral as it is, I really don't see any point in trying to "balanace" it out.
Because pretty much all non-furry internet users freak out like they eat babies or something.
A vote for the article being okay enough as it is. At most it could use a tad more tweaking so that it doesn't sound overly apologetic. TV Tropes has a fine style of dry wit that doesn't cross over into the typical mouthbreathing "trolls trying to one-up each other" that the Internet runs on. The article already has /plenty/ of examples of furry associations that would unsettle or squick "the normals" so it's not a whitewashing piece.
Aren't most pages on here written by their fans (Or the [[Hatedom haters]])? We're the ones most knowledgable about the subject, and thus can explain it best in a professional manner.
Yes, however, when someone who isn't in the fandom looks at say, a message board, it seems that all they seem to do is talk about how much better than everyone else they are. It's really quite infuriating. See below for examples.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=135979
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=61989510&postRepeater1-p=1#61989751 they
Am I the only that thinks the examples are starting to get out of hand, again? Why does this page need examples, anyway?
Hide / Show RepliesWhat examples? There are only tropes here.
Please join these multinational petitions against ACTA. Sign up now. Every voice counts.Why does it need those, either? It's a fandom, not a work of fiction. There aren't tropes for sci-fi or fantasy fandoms.
Start new pages for them and write their tropes there. And stop Complaining About Fandoms You Don't Like.
Edited by Tambov333 Please join these multinational petitions against ACTA. Sign up now. Every voice counts.Should we just nuke the WH 40 K quote on Memetic Mutation section? I don't see a way to balance its blatant anti-fur-ness with anything that isn't Natter.
Please join these multinational petitions against ACTA. Sign up now. Every voice counts.Humm. An alicorn is literally the horn on a unicorn. So...sorry kid who believes they're an inanimate part of a mythical creature.
Hide / Show RepliesActually, it's referring to winged unicorns. The Names The Same due to it being a modern portmanteau (ali- "wing" + unicorn.
Does anyone else think the animal stereotypes thing is kind of out of hand? I would not be opposed to nuking the whole thing, but if we're not going to do that (also understandable), could we trim it down quite a bit? Most of those things on that list are NOT animal stereotypes, but furries trying to pimp their species. For instance, I have never once heard of "pacifist" being a stereotype for skunks.
Edited by Sleet Hide / Show RepliesI can't say I've ever heard of that skunk thing, either... at least not on the part of skunks themselves. Everyone else maybe not getting violent to avoid getting sprayed... :P
Seriously, I agree that the stereotypes thing has gotten rather stupid. In my copious free time I'm going to take a look at how to trim it down to something more reasonable.
(I, too, wouldn't cry about zapping it entirely, but judging from previous discussions on this page I'm sure some would piss and moan about it.)
All your safe space are belong to TrumpIn the case of skunks I've mostly seen either porn or gratuitous biological humor. Nothing about being "Ghandis of the furry world"
Since it's blossoming out of control and more and more obscure, fabricated, or irrelevant 'facts' keep getting added, why not get rid of individual examples and just state that there are stereotypes attached to animals in the fandom that're different than those found in other forms of media?
I suspect that even if that sticks, people would then add "clarifications" that would just wind up putting the same blecherous pile of crap back on the page, if not worse than before the change.
That's why I said trim it down, not cut it off. When there's even a vague nod to stuff already there, people tend to be less inclined to add more, in my experience with getting Edit Wars nipped in the bud, so to speak, before it gets ugly.
Edited by Nohbody All your safe space are belong to TrumpI second Hashil's idea. Is there a way to add a comment in the source code warning editors not to elaborate?
How 'bout this:
In bold, we'll put at the top of the article not to add examples to the animal stereotypes example.
I'd almost go so far as to ask people not to post sexual tropes at all since they're not specific to the fandom, but that's probably clutching at straws.
I agree with this.
As for the sexual tropes, I just end up deleting them. Well, the ones that aren't directly furry-related, anyway. Tropes like Power Perversion Potential deserve to be there, although previously like half the page was general sex/porn tropes that have been at some point applied to furry smut.
Is the ED quote on the quotes page really necessary? I was tempted to just nuke it as having pretty much nothing to do with the fandom besides trying to troll it (yes, I know, by acknowledging it I'm feeding the troll), but I'm sure someone would get all pissy about doing so, and jump in with "butthurt" and other /b/tardisms.
Edited by Nohbody All your safe space are belong to Trump"Money, Dear Boy: Even if you don't really identify with the fandom ('My fursona is a human!') there's a pretty good amount of money to be made if you're a remotely talented artist willing to draw other people's fursonas. The more you're willing and able to contribute to draw naughty stuff, the more money to be made..."
Well, the prime example would be a german freelance artist who uses a cartoony pin-up style vixen in various uniforms and poses, and sells them to the german army through outdoor shops, or sometimes the barracks themselfs... He states they are very popular.
Hide / Show RepliesI also dislike the emphasis on "Yiff" art on this page. We are a Fandom of humanoid animals, for assorted reasons.
The "Tame" majority of the fandom is evidence that our like of Anthropomorphic animals and Zoomorphic Humanoids is not a sexual fetish any more than Star Wars, Twilight, Star Trek, Lord Of The Rings, Mecha, Transformers, or any other focus of fandoms. The common ground amongst Furries is we think the assorted animal parts (Claws, fur, fur patterns, face-shapes, teeth, muzzles, tails, etc.) superimposed on a humanoid body in an aesthetically-pleasing way are cool, Awesome, Cute, Funny, or otherwise visually attractive. I was going to say Sexy, but that terminology would be misleading.
Fursuits, being more a more interactive engagement with the fandom, add Fun to that list.
The majority of the fandom are either Artists, or their fans.
My other justification of the fandom's bizzarrity is we are what happens when people are so open-minded our brains fall out.
Rant over... I think we should remove the sex-based stuff, since it really representative of the fandom, and merely perpetuates a completely incorrect stereotype. I don't see people listing every Rule34 Trend on other pages dealing with fandoms. Why should we deal with it here?
You Fail Sex Ed Forever and similar is a common trait of Rule34 work, and Rule34 is not exclusive to fan-made material based on already published works.
I'd rather have the page listed in the context of the actual fandom, with the Rule34 moved elsewhere, such as this page's Fetish Fuel page.
Edited by Scow2 Hide / Show RepliesOn this note: Overhauling many tropes to de-emphasize the goddamn emphasis on the dark side of the fandom.
Actually... never mind. I think we should just remove the Trope Examples part entirely.
Edited by Scow2How's this, we add the porn tropes to the Yiff or Fetish Fuel pages and add a link to whichever one we choose in the Furry Fandom page that says: "For a list of tropes associated with the erotic aspects of the Fandom go here (warning, NSFW)."
For starters, Yiff says no examples. To change that would probably require running it by the TRS crowd, and if the history actually went back far enough to be useful I'd bet that it was tagged with "no examples" because it was becoming a problem at one point, which would make changing it difficult.
A FetishFuel.Furry Fandom page might get better traction, and since that entire namespace is most likely going to be behind the NSFG boundary it's unlikely to further contribute to problems with The Situation.
That said, I still think that an Example Sectionectomy, to bring it in line with the Doctor Who Fans page, would be best. I'm not, however, going to say that's the only option that won't result in me raising a stink. That's just plain jerkassish, and I save that for other online fora. :P
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Looking at the ES page, though, I see that they do mention separate example page as an option (#5), though they don't specify any particular kind or type of example.
You don't need to change it. It is a part of the fandom whether you accept it or not.
"So, I've been trapped in The Library for the last thousand years. Shadows are boring, but I have books to keep me busy."Though considering the updated user agreement thing about middle school teachers using this site as a resource it might still be a good idea to section off the Fetishy tropes.
I still don't see the need. Legitimately, when is a middle school teacher gonna teacher their class about furries? I mean, seriously, illogical.
"So, I've been trapped in The Library for the last thousand years. Shadows are boring, but I have books to keep me busy."So, GtS, you'd have no objection to a bunch of tropes added to the Doctor Who Fans page *, including the fetishy stuff of a small minority of the fandom?
(For the record, I wouldn't add them even if I was familiar with the details of that fandom, that'd be petty and juvenile.)
All your safe space are belong to TrumpIt would be the wrong place, as that would fit only on the Doctor Who Fetish Fuel Page, but no, I would not object. And Yes, I am a Who fan~
"So, I've been trapped in The Library for the last thousand years. Shadows are boring, but I have books to keep me busy."I'm saying we should move the tropes and examples exclusive to the NSFW parts of the fandom to the Fetish Fuel page, since otherwise it's as true and misleading as All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles. Yiff is the Furry Fandom's answer to Anime's Hentai
Would it be more appropriate to add it to the Fetish Fuel page or the Yiff page? The former is a trope and the latter is kind of a genre.
Edited by zarpaulusI'd say FetishFuel.Furry Fandom would be better. If nothing else, Yiff is explicitly stated to not have examples posted to it, meaning it'd have to be run by the TV Tropes mods/admin so as to not get reverted.
(It doesn't help that I've always hated "yiff" as a term, either. :P )
All your safe space are belong to TrumpSo how do we add the tropes? "Some tropes associated (though not exclusively) with actual furry porn include:"
Look, this page is a mess. It's meant to be a Useful Notes page, so I don't see why a trope list is necessary, and the descriptions are very rambling and range from overly defensive to apologetically aggressive.
I'm not a skilled enough wiki writer to make the whole fix myself, but I really suggest we start by cutting the entire trope list and adding it on the Useful Notes index.
Hide / Show RepliesThe Furry Fandom is a bit unique in that it is a group based around works of fiction (or at least will admit it). And as you can see most furries use tropes when designing their fursonas.
Um... Doctor Who Fans? :P
Edited by Nohbody All your safe space are belong to TrumpOriginal fiction. Furries write and draw a lot more original stuff than other "fandom" sub-cultures (seriously, Star Fox slash is at most 1% of the content on Fur Affinity)
Making a single trope list for something like all the myriad stories the Furry Fandom has produced is going to result in a mess in any case. There are so many conflicting portrayals and so much ground to cover. I still don't see a good argument as to why we can't just axe this trope list and let people who want to list tropes for their favourite furry universe make a page for said universe.
Edited by KerrahI agree here. Lets ditch it and make this a Useful Notes.
Also, our fandom isn't based around Original Fiction as much as it is based around a style of art and aesthetic. We are fans of the Original Fiction and Visual Artists because their works contain Anthropomorphic Animals and Zoomorphic humans. It's kind of difficult to describe... but we like Furries in much the same way Music Fans like their preferred genre of music, and media containing it or catering to the Genre's fandom.
So... we're more "Furry Enthusiasts" than a Fandom, but "Furry Fandom" has Added Alliterative Appeal
Edited by Scow2Might I suggest a separate section, on the page or on a new one, for the Yiff related tropes?
Oklahoma bill SB 943 is still in committee and there's no indication that it will pass. While the "animal control" bill was proposed by a nutjob who is best known for his attempt to create a hunting season for Bigfoot.
Do we really need them on the page?
Edited by zarpaulus