The Sociopath Live Action TV Discussion

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12:21:03 AM Dec 16th 2016
edited by Luppercus
Alright, like in other pages of this trope I did a cleanup as suggested in the forum. Some of the examples I retired and for the reasons why are these:

Heroes: the examples contradict themselves establishing that both characters describe as such are latter shown not to be sociopaths for different reasons:

Elle Bishop was actually diagnosed as a sociopath and displays extreme aggression coupled with no empathy:
Elle: The shrinks diagnosed me as a sociopath with paranoid delusions, but they were just out to get me because I threatened to kill them.
  • It's also heavily implied that she wasn't naturally a sociopath so much as driven insane after her father had used her in various experiments relating to her power. She seemed to be growing out of it but never got the chance for redemption.
    • Bob Bishop most likely is one. Letting a sociopath raise a child to become a sociopath...

Exactly the same case with this example:
  • Merlin (2008): There's a good chance that Mordred is one of these. He is a rather unemotional child, seems quite apt at manipulating the adults around him, shows no remorse when he kills several armed men, and responds with anger rather than grief when his father is executed.
    • Highly unlikely: Mordred only seems to murder people without conscience after they've done some horrible things to him, and his loved ones, he clearly does care for Morgana, Merlin and Arthur, both as a child, and as an adult, and his reaction to his mentor (there is no mention of Cerdan being his father) is a mixture of grief AND sadness

Person of Interest, same case, both examples here mentioned latter have comments denying the sociopathic nature of the characters:

Root demonstrates all the clinical symptoms of this (pronounced Lack of Empathy, lack of proper understanding of morals, etc.). The scary thing is that she claims that she isn't one, but she wishes she was so that she would have an easier time doing what she's doing. Perhaps the clearest sign she isn't a sociopath was the affection she had for her friend as a child and her decision to take revenge on the man who killed her.
  • Shaw zigzags this, showing no emotion at her father's death as a child, preferring violence to other solutions, and confessing to one PoI that she feels no emotions aside from anger. However in the same episode she clearly begins to empathize with the girl and won't seek medical help until after she's saved her. The girl claims to have figured out Shaw: That she does feel other emotions, but they're muted in comparison to normal people.
  • This is later averted with Root, who shows herself capable of regret and love later in the series, just being a very amoral person at the start of the show. Shaw, on the other hand, self-describes herself as this in "If-Then-Else", though whether this is true or not is not shown. If she is, then she's an extremely moral version of one.
    • Root later clarifies that Shaw is a clinical sociopath, having a (presumably diagnosed) Axis-II Personality Disorder. The trick of it is that despite this, Shaw does actually care, enough to give her life for her friends, and nobody really knows why.

Remeber tha in How to Write an Example there are guidelines about too speculative examples and that they should not be subject of debate.

Now in the cases of Buffy and Supernatural I just remove the example that deal with demons, vampires and the like... after all as I mentioned in the forum that's like putting the shark from Jaws as an example, if the nature of the creature, their entire species, is to be sociopathic then it can't be an example, cant it?

I do have my doubts with the Glee examples, as they seem to be exactly the case of the self-contradict examples, but I'm unsure, they do require better redacting though.

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