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KamenRiderOokalf
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10:32:01 AM Sep 17th 2011
Um... Why does this page have a double at Young Justice?
Camacan
moderator
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06:39:54 PM Jul 15th 2011
Here is the text of the disputed example:

  • Dating Catwoman: Red Arrow and Chesire are developing this as of "Targets". In the comics, the two of them have a daughter, Lian Harper, together.
JBK405
06:52:21 AM Jul 16th 2011
I wasn't involved in the edit discussion, but I'd throw my vote behind not including this on the page (At least, not yet). I'm aware of their relationship in the comics, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was adapted into the show, but right now there's not enough to say that they're in love (Or even lust). There's been no implication that Red Arrow in any way reciprocates Cheshire's feelings, and there's no real hint that Cheshire actually feels those feelings, as opposed to using her sexuality to toy with RA (A villain seducing, or trying to seduce, a hero isn't necessarily Dating Catwoman).

Until we get some more prolonged interaction between the two of them, or something to state that one of them really feels something, we should leave it off the page.
eX
10:46:06 AM Jul 17th 2011
A second that.
KnownUnknown
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02:14:39 PM Jun 19th 2011
Brief note to JBK 405, heads up: I'll be taking the Knight Templar thing to the forums.
NekoLLX
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09:08:37 AM Jun 16th 2011
why was this reverted. ** Targets features Marvin and Wendy as students at Happy Habour High, interesting note Marvin and Wendy had no powers at all in Super Friends, not even a utility belt so they very well could be the same people not just a nod. Also the tema mascot is the Bumblebees, and who is one of the cheerleaders a african american girl with twin hair buns like well...Bumble Bee from Teen Titans the spiritual predecessor to this show.

I can sort of understand the Wendy change back but seriously deleting the Bumblebee entry all together?
121.54.29.69
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07:06:19 PM Apr 2nd 2011
If I'm not mistaken, the team has yet to be called "Young Justice" by anyone. There's got to be a trope for those cases where someone or some people are called something, but not within the show.
Scalondragon
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06:33:44 PM Mar 30th 2011
Would "Anachronism Stew" apply since we're using for "Young Justice" (as had "Teen Titans") the Wally West Kid Flash and Dick Grayson Robin (who is in Tim Drake's outfit) when the comics used Bart Allen and Tim? In the webcomic "Batman and Sons" the "Martian" family (J'onn and Megan) are with Connor, Tim and Bart in their picture: http://the-blackcat.deviantart.com/gallery/28888645#/d31xwf8
QuintanaDS
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04:28:43 AM Mar 20th 2011
edited by QuintanaDS
Is there a prohibition or something against adding "Adaptation Decay" to this page? Or does someone disagree that the Bane from episode 4 (and incidentally, Madame Xanadu from episode 7) suffers from it?
Larfleeze
01:17:49 PM Mar 21st 2011
Adaptation Decay is used for in-universe examples only.

beeftony
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07:19:11 PM Mar 11th 2011
There seems to be a point of contention in the inclusion of this example:

  • Xanatos Gambit: Bane attempts one in "Drop Zone," forcing the team into a position where they would either take down the Cult of Kobra or die trying, which would undoubtedly bring in the Justice League to destroy his enemies instead. Either way, he would end up with the factory. They throw a wrench into this plan by destroying the factory instead.

Tableau claims that it doesn't count because the gambit didn't actually succeed, to which I counter that it's really just an example of the heroes Taking A Third Option. It's certainly structured like a classic Xanatos Gambit, and I don't think it should matter whether it worked or not. But just for the sake of argument, what would you classify it under instead?
bajiru
09:54:05 AM Mar 12th 2011
classifying it as a Xanatos Gambit seems more than reasonable to me so long as you specify why it didn't work.
Ayries
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12:53:37 PM Mar 5th 2011
Since a couple of details in the designs changed between that piece of art and the show (Artemis has dark eyes, Aqualad has grey eyes, Robin doesn't have green on his costume), should we consider changing it? Maybe the group shot from the intro?
joepro9950
03:59:24 PM Mar 5th 2011
I like that idea. Unfortunately, I don't know how to change the pictures, so I'll leave it to someone else.
KingZeal
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04:40:21 PM Feb 27th 2011
edited by KingZeal
Okay, to avoid an edit war, I'm going to take it here.

All Love Is Unrequited also does not distinguish between puppy love, casual sexual attraction, and a lighthearted crush. The word "love" is pretty loosely-defined and is not specifically stated to be a long-term, lasting desire. All it requires is that a character possess a Love Interest who shows them no mutual interest.
JBK405
04:51:00 PM Feb 27th 2011
Very true and accurate, but my point is that it has not yet been established that they do have an unrequited Love Interest. As I pointed out, Artemis has been on the team for only one episode after her introduction. She's yet to have a single one-on-one scene with Superboy. We do not know that he doesn't reciprocate her feelings, for all we know he is in love with her right now but hasn't had an opportunity/doesn't know how to say it. Is this what I believe is the case? No, I think that it will eventually be revealed that he is exactly as oblivious as it seems, but right now we don't know.
KingZeal
06:12:50 PM Feb 27th 2011
edited by KingZeal
The trope also specifically says that a lack of screen time with the love interest is sufficient. Artemis has been in two episodes, but she directly put the moves on him and he did not requite. In contrast, it also took two episodes to firmly establish Megan's feelings for Superboy, and the rest is all subtext. Furthermore, the trope is also about reciprocation, not a lack of interest. Even if Superboy has feelings for Megan and he comes out with an Anguished Declaration of Love, the fact of the matter is that nothing Megan has tried (compliments, long-distance admiration, tending to her crush when injured) has invoked ANY mutual response from Superboy.

In short, whether or not we know what he's thinking doesn't disqualify the trope, if he isn't requiting.
loracarol
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11:24:57 PM Feb 25th 2011
I'm temporarily removing "The Danza" from the main page as The Danza is about "a character whose name is clearly taken from the actor/actress portraying him/her."

If Bat's civvie name hadn't existed before now, I'd say sure, as naming him Bruce would be after Bruce Greenwood, but... He's been Bruce Wayne for a while already, that's all. ^_~

  • The Danza: Bruce Greenwood as Bruce Wayne/Batman.

joepro9950
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07:34:35 AM Feb 19th 2011
Sorry, one more thing that I think there's a trope for but i can't remember the name. Did anyone else notice that Klarion the Witch Boy is the first villain NOT shown to be working for the light?
Tableau
08:32:22 AM Feb 19th 2011
edited by Tableau
We don't know that for sure. It wasn't revealed that Morrow was working for the Light until the next episode. I'd like it if Klarion wasn't working for the Light but it could change in the future.
joepro9950
10:27:52 AM Feb 19th 2011
gotcha. That makes sence.
joepro9950
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07:30:33 AM Feb 19th 2011
OK, there's got to be a trope for that weird forward-echo thing when Kid Flash is wearing doctor fate's helmet. You know, the part where you can hear a 'echo' of what they're going to say in a few seconds? Anyone know what that trope is?
ParadiscaCorbasi
08:58:52 AM Feb 26th 2011
Don't know — but also the trope of Nabu speaking in a doubletone of Nabu/KF or Nabu/Old Guy Whose Name Escapes me.
Sijo
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12:30:39 PM Feb 16th 2011
Have you noticed that nearly everyone in the team has parental issues?
  • Robin (assuming he's Dick Grayson and that his backstory is the same as always): parents murdered, raised by Batman (granted, in THIS show Bats sounds much more like a good father.) His humor might be a way to deal with these facts.
  • Aqualad: Son on villain Black Manta. (In the comics, Manta killed Aquaman's *infant son* making him a true Complete Monster. Even if that's not true here -and I hope it isn't- its a fair guess Aqualad won't be pleased about his parentage.)
  • Superboy: Obviously suffering form Cloning Blues, plus Superman wants nothing to do with him. (Fair guess that he'll change his mind though.)
  • Miss Martian: Either she's one of the last Martians -meaning her parents are dead- or she is a WHITE martian, meaning she belongs to a race of killers!
  • Artemis: She's either Sportmaster's daughter (like in the comics) or comes from an evil land like Zandia or Apokolips (based on her comments). Or both.
  • Spee- I mean Red Arrow: Another orphan raised as a hero. Already having problems with his father figure (Green Arrow).

The only one with anything like a normal family is (presumably) Kid Flash (if he's Wally West.)

I see a lot of teenage angst in the future... :P
vanthebaron
01:16:25 PM Feb 16th 2011
Just like in the comics
Anaheyla
06:46:48 AM Feb 18th 2011
Teenaged superheroes with family problems? Stop the presses!
bajiru
12:58:38 PM Feb 18th 2011
Miss Martian's backstory has been changed pretty heavily. She's Martian Manhunter's niece and has 12 sisters back on Mars. I wouldn't assume her comics backstory holds true here, and that includes her being a white martian. I never got that anyway, they can both shapeshift, so how did they decide one was green and one was white?
KingZeal
02:25:28 PM Feb 18th 2011
edited by KingZeal
So far, everything that's been said has been unconfirmed. She claims to be his niece, but there's no confirmation of that. Heck, you could even consider the "twelve sisters" remark to be foreshadowing about her being a White Martian. There's plenty of them, but only one (or two) green ones. She could easily be a White Martian under an assumed identity. Her official biography even states that she's hiding her true appearance.

Which leads me to the next point: their default appearance is what determines their race.
bajiru
06:24:37 AM Feb 22nd 2011
Except you're taking what we know from the comics and assuming that's fact for the TV show. It's not. Until the show reveals otherwise, we have to take the information at face value. Also, things change adaptation wise all the time. That's the reason Hawkgirl founded the Justice League, Speedy became Red Arrow instead of Arsenal, and Madame Xanadu isn't even a real psychic in the show. Not only does Miss Martian claim to be J'ohn's niece, he states he's her uncle. She came to Earth to be with him, and he's done his part to set her up on Earth and check in to see how she's adjusting. That's a family bond that never existed in the comics, and we have to accept that what we knew in the comics doesn't hold true in the show by default.
NekoLLX
11:00:01 AM Feb 22nd 2011
Ah but Mr. Kent did says to Xandu "You have the aura to be a great one"
bajiru
05:22:05 PM Feb 22nd 2011
Yes, but that's not the point. The point is, things deviate in adaptation, and we can't assume character backstory will carry over 100%.
NekoLLX
05:38:42 PM Feb 22nd 2011
And YJ is also set in a early point in time for everyone, so it is also possible that that canon events just haven't happened yet.
Anaheyla
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06:18:43 PM Feb 11th 2011
Elaborate. All Love Is Unrequited. Every member vs only Kid Flash and Miss Martian.
vanthebaron
07:31:47 PM Feb 11th 2011
Of maybe it's KFX Everyone…yeah no.
KingZeal
08:12:08 PM Feb 11th 2011
edited by KingZeal
I didn't mean to post "every member". I meant to say everyone with a crush has currently received no mutual interest. Thus far, that means Kid Flash, Megan and Artemis.
vanthebaron
08:20:26 PM Feb 11th 2011
edited by vanthebaron
Anaheyla
09:02:14 PM Feb 11th 2011
vanthebaron
09:07:23 PM Feb 11th 2011
edited by vanthebaron
Fixed

Is the M.O.N.Q.I. male or female
Anaheyla
10:08:21 AM Feb 12th 2011
You'd have to ask Ivo.
bajiru
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05:12:34 PM Feb 10th 2011
King Zeal, if you're gonna post things from episodes that haven't aired yet, put them in spoiler tags and provide a link to the information so that it can be verified.
KingZeal
05:31:43 PM Feb 10th 2011
Noted about spoilers, but this isn't Wikipedia. We don't need a Citation Needed tag.
TheZMage
05:56:32 PM Feb 10th 2011
But we need some way of knowing it's real. Misinformation about future cartoon episodes is not at all uncommon.
bajiru
06:05:18 PM Feb 10th 2011
if it happens in an episode or even in the comic series based on the show, I've got no problem with lack of sources. It's when the info comes from future episodes, previews, or interviews that sources would be greatly helpful as, like Z Mage stated, there's no shortage of bad information being spread.
KingZeal
06:16:00 PM Feb 10th 2011
In that case, asking on the discussion page before deleting would be the proper course. If the entry lacks authenticity, then there'll be plenty of time to get rid of it.
Anaheyla
06:20:43 PM Feb 11th 2011
If the information proves to be inaccurate, we'll just edit it when it does. Until then, official sources should be sufficient for addition.
Daun
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04:44:16 PM Jan 22nd 2011
When you click 'main' from the Young Justice TV page, why does it go to the comic Young Justice? For that matter, why does clicking the TV link from the comic page to the YJ TV?

I don't read any of the comics, but isn't Young Justice getting a lot of criticism for /not/ being a true adaption, just sharing the same name? Plus, the TV version of YJ already has a comic book thing that's going to run beside it, right? Maybe the page should link to that instead...
vanthebaron
08:32:46 PM Jan 22nd 2011
I know what you mean but I would bring this up on the forum topic.
Daun
05:34:13 AM Jan 23rd 2011
edited by Daun
Forum Topic? Uh, sorry, new here. I'll go look for it, thanks.
vanthebaron
07:30:09 AM Jan 23rd 2011
ParadiscaCorbasi
08:57:25 AM Feb 26th 2011
This problem happens when a comic or a book jumps media and a new trope page is created for the new media. Happened with The Walking Dead too.
Ayries
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09:17:21 AM Jan 22nd 2011
Guys, can we please not have a load of 'omg, here is why there is nothing sexist about this show/the marketing/whatever, let me explain'? It's natter, it's personal opinion, a lot of it is based on conjecture, and it's just going to lead to flamewars. I think it's best we just put up that there were arguments made by certain people for the idea it may have been sexist, and leave it at that?
Tableau
09:22:32 AM Jan 22nd 2011
I already removed the post. It was natter and a retread so it went. This isn't a forum so that kind of discussion shouldn't be on the main pages or even on the YMMV pages.
71.192.156.215
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05:40:27 PM Dec 4th 2010
Could someone mention the "Stealth Pun" of having a bunch of ice villains in the cold open? kthnxbye
MasterGhandalf
05:52:28 PM Dec 4th 2010
Ice vilains in the cold open. Think about it for a minute, and you'll have it.
vanthebaron
05:59:24 PM Dec 4th 2010
edited by vanthebaron
Tableau
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09:10:51 PM Nov 29th 2010
edited by Tableau
Okay, so the Five-Man Band entry is bothering me. Everyone seems to fit fine with what we've seen of them so far —except Kid Flash. He is in no way shape or form a Lancer and he only seems to be categorize under such in order to fit the trope. Is there something else can we categorize him as to keep the trope or should we just drop it all together?
MasterGhandalf
09:38:17 PM Nov 29th 2010
I'm the guy who added the Five-Man Band, and Kid Flash was the one I was most iffy about. However, I do feel he is a Lancer in at least one sense- he's a sharp contrast with The Hero. Aqualad is duty-minded, serious, and rather stoic, while KF is more energetic, jokey, and lighthearted. I seriously considered reversing his and Superboy's roles, though I ultimately went with my gut and put up what I did. If the group dynamic works out differently once more episodes start airing, or you really convince me that it's too soon/worth taking down for one character, I'd have no problem with seeing it changed or removed. Sorry it bugged you!
Tableau
09:48:22 PM Nov 29th 2010
edited by Tableau
Well, I guess it bothered me because I had already thought of it and dismissed it because Kid Flash didn't fit. :p

From what I've been hearing about the series through the grape vine, a plot down the line will be a bone of contention between Aqualad and Robin about who will lead the team. So really Robin fits Lancer better than Kid Flash because Robin has a lot of qualities that could make him The Captain or the Hero but hasn't quite matured enough to be leadership material. I thought about putting Kid Flash as Smart Guy but that's so against type with Flashes that I thought better of it despite the fact that Kid Flash actually displays quite a bit of intelligence in the pilot. The best I can think of is Kid Flash as the Lancer to Robin's Lancer, if that makes sense.

But really there isn't a Five-Man Band trope that fits him at the moment and I don't like it when there's a lot of reaching to get tropes to fit.
MasterGhandalf
06:38:38 AM Nov 30th 2010
I honestly didn't feel I did much reaching, except in the aforementioned case of Kid Flash. Aqualad is the team leader, which pretty much makes him The Hero by defeault. Robin's the physically weakest, but is clever and very good with technology, so he seems an obvious Smart Guy. Superboy is the strongest, and judging from what we've seen so far, is the most direct and prone to leap into things, making him a pretty clear Big Guy. The Chick is both about being the heart and being the most classically "feminine", even if a guy- in this case, from what little we see of Miss Martian, and from what I'm familiar with from her elsewhere, she fits. Artemis, who doesn't join until several episodes in, is self-evidently the Sixth Ranger. See where I'm coming from?
Tableau
09:21:07 AM Nov 30th 2010
I completely get it. I didn't mean reaching for the individual tropes of Five-Man Band but for the Five-Man Band trope itself. They aren't really a Five-Man Band because Kid Flash doesn't fit into any of the tropes and he's a prime member of the team. Maybe for now we can drop the Five-Man Band trope and just list the subtropes for it individually on the page.
ParadiscaCorbasi
09:52:27 AM Nov 30th 2010
Robin can be both The Lancer and The Smart Guy, but that'd relegate poor KF to Team Pet or What Kind Of Lame Power Is Heart (I mean Super Speed) anyway?
Tableau
08:21:39 PM Dec 4th 2010
I know everyone else fits and if Kid Flash wasn't so essential to the team I would think about dropping him and making them a four man band with Robin as the Lancer and the Smart Guy —but Kid Flash is part of the original core of the team and that can't happen. As an important member, if he doesn't fit I don't think we should include the Five-Man Band trope on the page. We can still list the subtropes individually. If there are no protests I'm going to remove Five-Man Band from the page.
MasterGhandalf
09:00:25 PM Dec 4th 2010
Checked the Five-Man Band page, and it mentions that it doesn't qualify if you have to go out of your way to justify two or more. Of course, I'm biased, but that's what I hand in mind when I put it up, as there's only one member of this team who doesn't quite fit.
Tableau
09:20:12 PM Dec 4th 2010
edited by Tableau
Do we just drop Kid Flash all together? I still don't think he fits the role of the Lancer at all.
Tableau
10:50:18 AM Dec 8th 2010
edited by Tableau
Okay, I'm going to switch Robin and Flash Boy. Someone posted some of the database pages for the Young Justice kids and Kid Flash's page says he's a science prodigy. I think that can make him The Smart Guy easily, while Robin's rivalry with Aqualad is very much The Lancer.
ParadiscaCorbasi
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05:49:45 PM Nov 28th 2010
...we're I mean, we are no longer allowed to use contractions while troping?
JBK405
06:12:14 PM Nov 28th 2010
To my knowledge they're allowed, has there been a recent rule-change against them?

I, personally, do try to follow proper rules of grammar, which generally frown upon the use of contractions in "official" writings and I will un-contract a contraction if I see it, but that's just me (Yes, I'm well aware it's pedantic).
ParadiscaCorbasi
08:25:35 PM Nov 28th 2010
No. It was just a little jarring to see my entries with contractions un-contracted, because the front page of the site specifically says "We are not Wikipedia. We're a buttload more informal. We encourage breezy language and original thought."

I thought I had genuinely missed a rule change indicating we were going more formal. Figured it was a good idea to ask, rather than inadvertently cause an Edit War due to Poor Communication Kills.
JBK405
10:49:36 PM Nov 28th 2010
No, you're good. Like I said, it's just my style, and I don't have any serious beef with the use of contractions. I'm not going to bother editing an article just to remove a contraction, but if I've already got an edit-window open I will undo any that I can find.
ParadiscaCorbasi
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11:12:18 PM Nov 26th 2010
edited by ParadiscaCorbasi
Hey, It's That Voice! going on. Doctor Desmond from Cadmus. He's somebody from Avatar: The Last Airbender , but I can't put a finger on who. Help me out?
vanthebaron
11:15:54 AM Nov 27th 2010
René Auberjonois is The Mechanist and the leader of the Gan Jin (the guys in white from the episode The Great Divide)
ParadiscaCorbasi
11:28:26 AM Nov 27th 2010
Thank you. That had really been bugging me. Much appreciate the assist.
vanthebaron
12:08:06 PM Nov 27th 2010
he also Odo is Star Trek DS9
ParadiscaCorbasi
02:00:33 PM Nov 27th 2010
Yep, Once you said René Auberjonois, I remembered where I've seen/heard him before.
vanthebaron
04:39:45 PM Nov 27th 2010
glad I could help
Tableau
topic
08:48:32 AM Jul 23rd 2010
edited by Tableau
New vid about Young Justice has come from Comic Con. Greg Weisman describes it as taking place in a "young DC universe" which seems to indicated that Kid Flash and the Robin are probably going to be Wally and Dick, the first generation of the younger heroes.
Mystik
12:56:24 PM Jul 30th 2010
I notice the memetic "useless Aquaman" powers issue is being averted. Water-weapons...
198.7.245.89
12:44:44 AM Oct 30th 2010
edited by biznizz
Apparently Blaqualad is supposed to be the leader too. I am not pleased. Apparently Aqualad might be the leader. That's cool. Fix'd
Sijo
05:49:04 AM Dec 7th 2010
...Was the comment above tampered with by someone other than its original poster? Granted it sounded kinda dickish, but so is "fixing" it. These are individual comments, not official Wiki material. Next time, please cite the comment and THEN do the "fixing" to the citation.
Bakazuki
09:55:01 PM Feb 19th 2011
Yeah, this isn't GameFAQs or ED, people. Keep that out of here.
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