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07:48:05 PM Oct 20th 2011
Given that he'll be gone all-too-soon, does antagonist!Bill count as an Ensemble Darkhorse? Also:

Maybe this is a holdover from the earlier seasons, but why does everyone (mostly Alan Ball) seem to class Bill as the "good guy" and Eric as the "bad boy" of the 'verse? Oooh, Eric tricked Sookie into drinking his blood. He should have done the honorable thing and had her beaten by the evil Rattrays until she needed it, like Bill. Also, why is Bill's main crime in the show's 'verse lying to Sookie, not the aforementioned beating?

If there's any "good guy" on the show, it's Alcide.
05:07:45 AM Sep 13th 2011
Magical Negro again.

I added an "Averted" to the item because I didn't have the guts to change it entirely. and because I'm afraid if I just deleted the item it would be back within a day.

I think it's another repetition of annoying "the character is black and magical = Magical Negro" mistake. D*** it, (nearly) everybody in the show is magical! Lafayette could be caucasian or asian or anything and have the abilities he has. There are witches, mediums, psychics, shape-shifters, were-whatevers etc. of all colors.

If Lafayette at least was restricted to dispensing sage advice to white characters, maybe. But I don't see that, either. He dislikes his magical side but he's definitely there when a friends, especially Tara, is in trouble.
04:52:46 AM Sep 13th 2011
Faux Action Girl: Not quite. If I remember correctly, Sookey was the one who decapitaded Rene with a shovel, with some help from Sam in dog-form. She chased of that V-addicted werewolf girlfriend, magically punched out Marianna, was pretty effective when she and Tara had to break out of Russel's mansion and so on. For frag's sake, in the first episode she fought of two V-dealers who tried to drain Bill.

True, she does very often need help and sometimes actual saving. BUT: which character in the show doesn't? Bill needs saving sometimes. Eric needs protection after being spell-struck in season 4. Jason is forever in trouble. Tara is tough as nails but at one point even she needs Jason to shoot Psychotic Lover Franklin. Lafayette is one clever, valiant, adaptable guy but at some part even he needs help to get out of Eric's dungeon.

Two important characteristics of the show: 1) - it's not quite as fantastic as Buffy or similar, where there's one super-powered main character who (with exceptions) is strong enough to fight off four opponents simultaneously. In True Blood, characters with that sort of ueber-power are usually either evil or short-lived. 2) - the show is very much about the constantly shifting alliances, goals and power concentrations. Everyone eventually meets someone who's older, more magical, meaner, ... and then needs friends or allies to be helped or saved.

So the question shouldn't be, does Sookie need help on a regular basis, but: does she fight herself _with_ the others or is she standing at the sidelines wringing her hands?
10:47:28 PM Sep 18th 2010
Quite a few of the characters (1/3 or 1/4?) on the Characters page are refered to as Ensemble Darkhorses. I don't think that's right. Of course, it might be due to the dull stars...
12:07:56 AM Aug 29th 2010
Question: does anyone else think Sam's brother Tommy crossed the Moral Event Horizon when he tried to maul Hoyt (after Hoyt delivered that beautiful punch right to the little shit's forehead without breaking stride—hell, this troper actually applauded)? Should I wait to add that onto the main page until the third season is over or would I be able to add that now? Just checking.
01:20:56 PM Sep 14th 2010
No, Tommy is still supposed to be a troubled but sympathetic youth.
02:36:51 PM Sep 14th 2010
If that's really what they were going for, they missed by a mile. Everybody I've talked to thinks he's just an asshole. I agree that he's an asshole, but I think the reason might be that he's spent a good portion of his life as a dog and thus he interacts with people the way a dog would interact with other dogs. Since animals fight one another for the alpha position all the time, that's what Tommy does. It hasn't occurred to him that being a nice guy like Sam works out a lot better for you in the long run, and that it's a whole lot better to be loved than to be feared.
03:13:25 PM Jul 6th 2013
Moral Event Horizon isn't about what the character is supposed to be but how the audience views that character. Not only a character beyond redemption, but one that nobody watching wants to have redeemed.
08:19:28 PM Aug 26th 2010
edited by ParadiscaCorbasi
Removed this:

  • Canon Sue: Sookie. Superpowers? Check. So special? Check. Lusted by every male in town? Check (this one requires a bit of imagination from the viewers, since she is not much of a looker.) And nobody can be mad at her, even when she fucks up in a major way, getting mad at her is frowned upon. She can get pissed at anyone though, and is always entitled to do so. I am surprised this isn't here already.

Explanation: Sookie has telepathy, which is treated as more of a disability than a power. The light flash thing she can't even control, even if it is a power. The remark about her being not much of a looker is a one Troper's opinion on Anna Paquin's looks. As the story goes in the books, Sookie looks like Barbie, i.e. very pretty. And the "nobody can get mad at her" is patently erroneous. Sam, Pam, Eric, Bill, Tara and Jason have all gotten angry with Sookie. Comes off like Complaining About Actresses You Don't Like.
06:56:03 PM Aug 22nd 2010
I removed this:

  • Season 3's Talbot is 100% Camp Gay. When Sookie asked Russell Edgington if there was a vampire queen of Mississippi, one half expected Talbot to pop his head in the room and ask, "You called?"
    • The actor apparently took many of Talbot's personality traits from his Greek mother, i.e. the decorating, the meltdowns if anything breaks.

Although he's clearly the feminine partner of his relationship, Talbot is not Camp Gay at all. Camp Gay is the limp-wristed, glittery, screaming queen charicature, like Rip Taylor. Talbot is played like the conservative and strong-willed wife of a powerful politician, who just happens to be male.
02:59:35 AM Aug 15th 2010
Regarding Lafayette being a magical negro, shouldn't we have confirmation of his magical powers first?

Just saying.
08:23:25 PM Aug 26th 2010
Sigh. Magical Negro as a trope doesn't necessarily require actual magic on the part of said negro. Nor does Magical Queer have to necessarily have actual magic while we're on the subject.
05:05:48 AM Aug 1st 2010
I see that somebody asked which Season Three episode(s) the Butt Monkey Edward lookalike was in, which is something I've been wondering myself. It's probably best not to talk about it in the actual entry, though. Anyway, is it the quarterback who Jason pulls out of his car mid-coitus, or somebody else?
04:35:52 PM Jul 26th 2010
Ought Green Rocks be changed to Minovsky Particles or Mineral MacGuffin, or one of the other species of Phlebotinum? It seems to me that V can't do just *anything* the writers want, its properties are all defined (more-or-less) in the first few episodes of the first season and they haven't changed since then.

Also, could we get a poll or a separate page for the various crowners? It seems that now we just have a list of every single awesome/funny/sad thing to ever happen on the show.
08:24:34 PM Aug 26th 2010
I think starting a Crowner page for True Blood would be a good idea, yes, given how thick the Crowner listings are getting.
08:14:41 AM Jun 30th 2010
Why can I not add a review to the True Blood article? There doesn't seem to be the review button present on the page (where it is suppsoed to be).
03:02:08 PM Jun 15th 2010
Is it just this troper or is Tara reaching The Scrappy or The Wesley levels? I used to like her strength and rationality in the first season but now...the woman is just makes the dumbest decisions and keeps on throwing the Race Card to defend her outbursts. I won't add the entry to the main tropes page but I'd like to know if there are other people who are sick of her Character Derailment as well. Don't want to step on any toes.
12:05:31 PM Jun 21st 2010
edited by honeybrown1976
Well, she's returned to her former self, as shown by Season three's second episode, "Beautifully Broken". Sure, she can be seen as The Scrappy or The Wesley, to some. But, she still has her fans; so, it's not overwhelming. If you think about it, Sookie can be seen at the same to many (including me). But, the Character Derailment is annoying, though.
08:16:04 PM Jun 21st 2010
Good point about Sookie. She's definitely Too Dumb to Live, although she manages to temper it by being tough and sassy, though that's starting to get old too. I hope Tara comes back around before I get too tired of her. Thanks for the input.
05:11:41 PM Jul 21st 2010
It helps that they're both fairly not-powerful (mind reading doesn't help a lot in a fight without lots of experience) amongst lots of supernatural monsters.
07:47:22 AM Mar 8th 2010
edited by herne_the_hunted
Re: Cut in Anvillicious: the lines tend to get blurred now and then where book canon is concerned, but I'd still say as long as it hasn't happened on the show, it shouldn't be used as an example, even if it is something that happened in the books. Especially since in this particular case - Sookie talking about how much she hates vampire discrimination - the show seems to go quite the different route, as right now, she seems to think that every vampire apart from Bill is evil and has repeatedly said so.

06:34:33 PM Mar 8th 2010
edited by herne_the_hunted
@ OP, concerning Sookie's speech: it's in Episode 2.3, it's after Bill and Sookie have dropped off Lafayette and she says: "I used to get so mad when people judged vampires just for being different. It's like they were judging me, too. I told myself their fear was nothing but small-mindedness. But maybe that's just what I wanted to believe. Because the more open my mind gets, the more evil I see." And then she goes on ranting about Eric and how basically every vampire except Bill is evil. To me, that's not anvillicious about vampires being a metaphor for anything, but your mileage might very likely vary.