Series The Wire Discussion

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03:25:25 PM Sep 20th 2012
edited by TrollBrutal
Diegetic Switch
  • Also the Greek music in the second-to-last episode of the second season.

It's a possible example, it's not clear the music originates in-universe, Spiros could be moving his hand in rythm but we are not shown the source of the music, and it also fits with casual jovial conversation with The Greek since they both laugh about something unrelated to the music.

I was about to just add the "possible" adjective but I moved it here due to the Examples Are Not Arguable thing. It really can go both ways.

The scene can be watched here

edit : I'm rewording it to make it an exception of Source Music but not an example under Diegetic Music
04:49:58 AM Mar 13th 2013
edited by TrollBrutal
Removed this one

  • He Who Fights Monsters: By the time the show begins, it's pretty clear that whatever morality most of the Baltimore police have is all but dead.

The trope does not apply, for one the police are useless, corrupt and there are some rabid ones, but the trope requires becoming what you fight, and the police don't go around killing people in the corners. They may hate and rough up the criminals, but they are not comparable to them, i.e. monsters. We see a number of detectives who show restraint and respect for the law.

The useless etc stuff is well covered by other tropes already (bad cop, incompetent cop...)

Alternatively the trope, a revenge trope at that, is not used, the audience is not told the police were once a corps of pure white knights.

McNulty may apply, we see his journey to delinquent, downplayed, arguable example because you can tell he is a one time example of I Did What I Had to Do, the rest of the time it's Cowboy Cop stuff, nothing extraordinaire. Becoming is the word here, Carcetti undergoes Corrupt the Cutie, so another borderline example. (I wouldn't write it due to examples are not arguable policy)

From trope description: "His obsession with meting out due punishment or worse twists him into a monster just as bad as, or even worse than, the one he's hunting."

As an aside, wiki policy encourages examples being specific, as in written examples for characters rather than groups and broad statements, otherwise it's an ellaborated form of bad context. I saw other editor taking exception from it, a bit harshly.
06:12:53 AM Oct 15th 2014
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I agree on He Who Fights Monsters. And there's another aspect: doesn't the He Who Fights Monsters trope imply some causality? That is, it's the act of fighting monsters that corrupts the hero until he becomes a monster himself.

The Baltimore PD is shown as corrupt and brutal, but it's not shown that the cause of this is that they were corrupted by fighting crime. Rather, the corruption seems to come from working within a big, bureaucratic organization motivated by political goals, and maybe from people who would have been jsut as corrupt if they hadn't been crime fighters.
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