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Thecommander236
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12:29:58 AM Jul 10th 2014
Who else wants to see a crossover of, a story sub-series inspired by, or grand unifying guess of The Last Ship with The Walking Dead? In the last two days I considered that US Nuclear submarines may, in fact, escape a Walking Dead like apocalypse. Not only could they survive without assistance for months, they may escape the disease altogether. Of course everyone would catch it the second they hit land (the disease in The Walking Dead is benign until the person dies), but, in theory, they wouldn't catch whatever it is if they surfaced in the middle of the ocean or on small island that hasn't been touched by outside influences since before the disease hit. I discovered The Last Ship after I thought of most of this.

The Last Ship follows a similar premise. A disease hits and the only ones who weren't unaffected was anyone who was on a ship at the time. Of course The Last Ship virus actively kills and doesn't zombify people. I can totally see the two series being the same universe as long as one of them was changed a little bit. It would be an interesting new perspective on "world ending disease/zombie" concept. A little more outlandish idea would be to throw in a little Falling Skies where the virus was a weapon used to weaken Earth a la Dead Space for an alien invasion. The virus would be an alternative to using an invasion force like what was used in Half-Life.
Kins4321
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11:51:54 AM Mar 21st 2014
I'm wondering about the Anyone Can Die trope: There's a running list of each named character who dies each season, but it included characters who appeared for one-two episodes max. The trope page itself explains how this trope doesn't relate to when minor characters die, but instead important ones. I don't think it's necessary to list every single named character who dies. Also, I won't be surprised if the list eventually gets too large to manage.

I wondered if just leaving a description about how the show kills many characters, major and minor, or listing the important characters who've died, would be a better idea?

It's not a problem, though, if the consensus is that it stays as it is, fair enough. It doesn't bother me how it is right now, I just wondered if another format would work better.
Kins4321
11:36:05 AM Apr 9th 2014
So, no opinions on this then? I just really feel that naming every single character who dies on the show, even those who appear in 1, 2 episodes max, isn't really necessary, and isn't the point of the Anyone Can Die trope (which states that it's for when major players are offed regularly).

Going into Season 5, it's going to become difficult to manage if we list almost every character the show has killed.
SeptimusHeap
11:36:29 PM Apr 9th 2014
I would agree with pulling the exact list, but to leave the mentioning of the main characters. There are a lot of people who think that Anyone Can Die means "a lot of people die" we should not perpetuate.
djferocious
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07:54:08 PM Dec 4th 2013
Tried to add a shout out trope on the list. While fixing some screwed up link text I belatedly realized there's a separate page for that (and someone probably already spotted the specific shout out I was thinking of.)

But every attempt to delete it crashes my browser.

Wondering if someone would be kind enough to cut it out for me? Thanks, and sorry for the trouble.
Telcontar
moderator
04:08:40 AM Dec 5th 2013
Done. :)
johnnye
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11:20:09 AM Apr 4th 2013
  • Suspiciously Similar Substitute: Happens several times (in quick succession) early on in the third season. T-Dog is killed in "Killer Within", the same episode where Oscar officially joins the group. Oscar is then shot and killed in "Made To Suffer", the same episode where Tyreese is introduced.

Does this trope really apply? The characters are substantially different, in terms of both personality and role. You could make an argument for tokenism ("OK, we've got a new black guy, we can safely dispense with the old one now") but it's not like they killed a character off and then brought in someone extremely similar to replace him, which is my understanding of the trope.
Nohbody
04:06:13 PM Apr 4th 2013
I never really thought about it before, but now that you bring it up and I've read the trope description, no I don't think that really fits.

As for Token Minority, I wouldn't personally argue for it, but I wouldn't argue against it, either.
johnnye
05:52:42 AM Apr 7th 2013
I'll move the description to that trope for now, anyway. Fits better than this one.
Nohbody
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05:03:00 PM Apr 1st 2013
In general, fixed formatting, Example Indentation, Natter trimming, spoiler adjustment. Some specifics:

  • misuse of Adaptational Heroism
  • Atlanta isn't a trope, and shouldn't be used as one
  • Famous Last Words is about ironic word choices right before dying, not just anything said before then.
  • I Warned You is a dialog trope. Neither Morgan nor Shane say anything even remotely like it to Rick.
  • Hot Mom isn't an Audience Reaction trope.
  • Misuse of Idiot Ball and Idiot Plot. Neither is "something I think is stupid", which was how it was used on the page.
  • Sandbags set up as they were at the CDC aren't Improbable Cover. That's the kind of thing they're supposed to be used for in a combat context.
  • Dale's not seeing the walker that killed him isn't Too Dumb to Live.
  • Weapon of Choice isn't "character uses a specific weapon", it's about the weapon saying something about the character's nature.
  • Cut misuse of Wham Line.
MasterofAeons
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03:31:05 PM Jul 27th 2012
The Virus/Not Virus/Totally A Virus/Confirmed/Actually...

There are a lot of people citing that the airborne virus is Wordof God, though in all media it is intentionally left vague. Even when asked directly about it, Kirkman refuses to clarify:

The rule is: WHATEVER it is that causes the zombies, is something everyone already has. If you stub your toe, get an infection and die, you turn into a zombie, UNLESS your brain is damaged. If someone shoots you in the head and you die, you're dead. A zombie bite kills you because of infection, or blood loss, not because of the zombie "virus." - Issue 41

A lot of information on these pages (comic, show, expanded universe) seem to argue this back and forth. Can we clean it up and stop assuming on what is left vague as an integral part of the mythology?
awaler32
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04:57:44 PM Jun 19th 2012
for the P.O.V cam, I think the moment in episode 4 when Daryl uses his gun to butt into a walker, it can be seen from the perspective of the walker that is about to get hit, i'm not sure though so i'll let the more experienced tropers deal with it.
mosheh
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04:39:33 PM May 9th 2012
edited by mosheh
Daryl's crossbow...

is a heck of a weapon to put walkers down. However... does he use the same bolts to hunt squirrels?

We can see him cleaning his bolts with a patch quite often, but, well... who knows what deases walkers may carry. Is it lampshading, a hand wave? Rule of cool or possible fridge horror? Or just a minor oversight?

What do you think?
Lebenithil
01:27:18 PM May 10th 2012
A moot point, seeing as how everyone's infected by the zombie virus anyway.
mosheh
02:02:57 PM May 10th 2012
edited by mosheh
I know, but the virus doesn't even make people sick. Zombie bite, however, leads to severe fever and inevitable death.

And death leads to... you know, zombification.
Opunaesala
10:57:13 AM Nov 21st 2012
Zombie bites kill, but there has been no indication that getting their blood or whatnot on you or in you does anything.
ParadiscaCorbasi
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06:58:43 PM Mar 12th 2012
I think the Only a Flesh Wound examples are more Law of Conservation of Detail.

It's a week for the viewers but has it been a week for Carl and Randall since their respective injuries that we see them walking around?

I remember having the same conversation with Wil Wheaton on Rick's long soliloquy to Morgan at the beginning of S2. Time doesn't pass for the cast as fast as it passes for the audience.

Darthvoorhees
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02:33:30 PM Mar 12th 2012
This troper hopes that Rick will use the "We are the Walking Dead" line like he did in the comics. I'm already ecstatic about hearing some of the comic regulars who thus far are not seen, will be turning up in Season 3.
Nohbody
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08:25:10 PM Dec 24th 2011
edited by Nohbody
(disregard)
Nohbody
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04:58:15 PM Dec 15th 2011
First, spoilering the name is fine, just not the whole sentence. Spoiler Policy covers spoiler etiquette.

As for example ownership, please see Ask The Tropers.
ParadiscaCorbasi
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09:14:36 PM Nov 27th 2011
It looks to me like Dale is the Guile Hero, not Glenn. Glenn doesn't seem to be manipulating people, but only asking Dale for help and guidance. Glenn seems sincere, but not working to play people against each other. Dale, on the other hand, hides stuff, lets people draw their own incorrect conclusions, all for the greater good.

TuefelHundenIV
04:55:21 PM Dec 15th 2011
I can agree with that assessment.
Nohbody
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04:04:19 PM Nov 24th 2011
Removed this:

* CharlesAtlasSuperpower: Rick's bag of guns weighs about 93 pounds, yet nobody seems to have a problem carrying it around one handed. Even when it's flopping and hitting Rick in the bag as he'd riding the horse to Atlanta, he doesn't show any discomfort.

While I'm sure the bag isn't light, this sounds like an ass pull number to me.

Even if the number is reasonably accurate, though, I doubt Charles Atlas Superpower is the relevant trope, as nowhere else have the characters shown any significantly above-average strength.
TuefelHundenIV
04:18:10 PM Nov 24th 2011
It is entirely possible haul ass carrying that weight. He wasn't exactly carrying much else to slow him down. If he was athletic and resonably healthy you could reasonably haul ass even with that much weight.

The bag would have been hefty but the weight is an ass pull unless you can know what else is in the bag other then the guns. How much ammo and additional accessories for example.

The total weight is comparitively light for maximum suggested loads for hiking. Add in he isn't really hiking and is riding the horse. The strain would be quite a bit less until he got on foot.

As for discomfort if you carry it right it won't bother you too much.
TuefelHundenIV
04:44:44 PM Nov 24th 2011
edited by TuefelHundenIV
Ok I did some checking. The weight of the guns alone unloaded is only about 27 lbs total. That is including the pistols that came from the bag. Even assuming it was stuffed with 30lbs of ammo your only hauling about 57 lbs of stuff. Well within human ability.
Nohbody
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11:22:17 AM Nov 16th 2011
BTW and as a personal note, judging from the example for the comic book on What Happened To Mommy, it looks like the series is setting up for echoes of the comic storyline in regards to the farmhouse they're at as of "Chupacabra". However, until the next ep actually airs it's probably not good to add it to the trope list just yet.
TuefelHundenIV
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05:22:45 PM Oct 23rd 2011
This recent entry.

  • That's how the characters certainly see it, but some viewers may say he got exactly what he deserved.

This seems to be more of a audience reaction to dale getting the crap beat out of him. I am pretty sure we can tweak a it a bit and drop it on the YMMV page.

What do you folks think?
Nohbody
11:27:08 AM Nov 16th 2011
What trope was it attached to? (sorry, didn't realize the discussions aren't going on watchlists any more, for some reason, missed this)

The line number in the extended history doesn't help thanks to other changes made since then.
TuefelHundenIV
05:11:29 PM Nov 24th 2011
It wasn't really attached to anything it was entired just like that. Sorry I didn't notice this discussion bit sooner.
Nohbody
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07:01:52 PM Sep 13th 2011
edited by Nohbody
  • Did Not Do The Research isn't to be used on main works pages.
  • Rick is part of a small town PD, which may not have had the funding (or even desire) to change from something that worked for them.
Westrim
08:06:18 PM Sep 13th 2011
He was calling himself a captain, I should note. The Rare Guns entry should be enough to note that his ownership of that gun was unlikely.
Nohbody
08:35:58 PM Sep 13th 2011
edited by Nohbody
Whoops, didn't realize the correction was by the same guy. My mistake, comment removed.
Wanderhome
03:00:48 PM Sep 14th 2011
Sorry about that; I don't edit very often and I hadn't looked at the Did Not Do The Research page in ages.

As for small town P Ds, though, they've all changed over along with everyone else by now. Hell, I used to live in a town where the Police Department operated out of the back rooms of City Hall, and they were using 9mm pistols when I moved there twelve years ago.

Like I said, Rick's use of a Python is pure Rule of Cool. And that's not a bad thing.
TuefelHundenIV
05:24:33 PM Oct 23rd 2011
edited by TuefelHundenIV
.44 Magnum variants would be uncommon but .357 variants are actually a fairly common revolver caliber carried even by police. Most police departments allow the officers to carry a back up pistol of their choice provided they qualify with it. It is entirely feasible that the revolver is his personal back up and he has an issued fire arm that gets turned in to the armoury at the end of the day.
TuefelHundenIV
05:06:39 PM Nov 24th 2011
Got more info on the weapons. The two revolvers are more common then originally speculated here. One gun is a Colt Trooper
Grantz
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05:31:05 AM Dec 22nd 2010
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone knows the name of the song at the end of the first episode? Would appreciate it, thanks.
Westrim
11:39:00 AM Dec 22nd 2010
edited by Westrim
The name of the song is "Google 'Walking Dead first episode music'".
maeinli
08:21:16 PM Aug 27th 2011
It's called "Space Junk"
Nohbody
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04:06:11 AM Dec 18th 2010
Is Merle really a What Happened to the Mouse?? If the series had finished with never a mention of him again I can see him qualifying for that trope, but the S1 finale wasn't the end of the entire series.
tricksterson
11:10:56 AM Dec 21st 2010
I would say no.
LosingStreak
04:33:41 PM Jan 31st 2011
It's not the end of the series yet, but as of the released episodes his ultimate fate is uncertain.
Nohbody
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06:04:56 AM Dec 12th 2010
re: Impairment Shot 2nd level

Impairment Shot is a visual effect, not an audio one. Rick's ears were ringing from the firing, but that didn't impair his sight. His balance and ability to pay attention to things like structural frames inside the tank (like the one he banged his head on) is something else entirely. :P
johnnye
11:12:35 AM Apr 4th 2013
Sal
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07:10:50 AM Dec 9th 2010
This really just bugs me: I don't understand what they're trying to say by "set the air on fire." The Wikipedia article for thermobaric weapons, which includes HI Ts, says that thermobaric weapons "rely on oxygen from the surrounding air, whereas most conventional explosives consist of a fuel-oxygen premix." But I don't think that counts as "setting the air on fire" - I feel like the implication of that means "the air itself is being oxidized." If you assume the definition "the oxygen in the environment being used", lighting, say, a fire in a household fireplace would also count as "setting the air on fire," so it's not really an impressive statement at all. Just my two cents... I'd really appreciate it if someone with more knowledge of chemistry, etc. could explain this to me.
MrDeath
08:31:03 AM Dec 9th 2010
I think you're putting too much thought into it. The guy wasn't scientifically describing the effects of the bomb so much as trying to say "Everything's going to burn." He didn't mean literally "the air itself will be literally on fire."
Glucharina
08:40:04 AM Dec 9th 2010
Air CAN burn. Of course it need to be filled by gaseous fuel and that exactly how such bombs work. It fill air with fuel and then set it on fire
vanthebaron
09:03:36 AM Dec 9th 2010
exactly just like on mythbusters last night. the gun didn't set off the methane in the room but the road flare did.
ParadiscaCorbasi
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08:13:25 PM Dec 7th 2010
edited by ParadiscaCorbasi
Not trying to start an Edit War, but the Attempted Rape trope is the accurate one rather than Near-Rape Experience. I read both tropes, and the latter indicates the would-be rapist stops of his own free will.

Shane did not stop of his own free will. He continued trying to force himself on Lori, with her saying "no" and "stop" and trying to get away to no avail until she used her fingernails on his face, hurting him enough to make him reel away from the pain. Only then did he have the "what did I almost do" moment. She may not be an Action Girl but she definitely did the self-rescuing.
Nohbody
09:26:17 PM Dec 7th 2010
edited by Nohbody
I'm not so sure. While AR does say the rape is stopped by someone other than the would-be rapist, the scratches didn't stop it by themself. It took his realization to make him ultimately stop trying to force himself on her.

(edit: I am sure after thinking on it. NRE is more applicable, as it was ultimately his own decision that stopped it, not any interruption from her or another party.)
ParadiscaCorbasi
07:35:09 PM Dec 8th 2010
I'd disagree. I watched the episode twice in a row the night of the airing. He stopped because she hurt him. His judgement was impaired by drunkenness, and it took pain to get through his muddled thinking. He didn't stop to think until after she hurt him. How is her drawing blood on his face not an interruption from her? How about we split the difference and cite both tropes as NRE/AR since that's doable in cases where more than one type of trope applies?
Westrim
10:28:54 PM Dec 8th 2010
edited by Westrim
Sorry, that doesn't work. Reading the intros for both, it reads exactly like NRE (not yet rape, step back and realize with horror what they are doing and leave) and not at all like AR ( attempted rapist is foiled violently by action girl). The key is that she didn't incapacitate him in any way, she just provided the shock that snapped him back to his senses and everything else he did (realizing what he was doing, stepping away then walking off.) That shock happened to be physical, but a couple scratches were not going to stop him if he wanted to go through with it. She didn't foil him. Only NRE applies.
ParadiscaCorbasi
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06:19:54 PM Nov 30th 2010
This just in: They have fired the entire writing staff to go into S2 with an all new writing staff. http://tv.ign.com/articles/113/1137550p1.html
vanthebaron
06:36:19 PM Nov 30th 2010
the is a massive Too Dumb to Live moment
Nohbody
09:05:16 PM Nov 30th 2010
I don't know if I'd go quite that far just yet, van.

Also, there's a TWD thread on the forums, which is a better place to discuss the show, as opposed to the trope page about it.
Nohbody
07:01:28 PM Dec 4th 2010
For the record, Executive Producer Gale Hurd denied the writer firing story.
Nohbody
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09:37:19 AM Nov 29th 2010
Just FYI, I moved some stuff around, but didn't go into the comic's page to do things there. The only comic stuff moved around was in the YMMV page, where I'm guessing they were stuck because either people didn't know about the other tabs or didn't think of them, and decided using YMMV as a dumping ground worked enough to meet main page guidelines until Wiki Magic did its thing.
Westrim
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01:56:05 PM Nov 22nd 2010
Since this has been gone back and forth on a couple times with no discussion, I figure we should actually talk about it; I don't think Disproportionate Retribution qualifies, because he's not reacting just to that instance, he's acting on Ed's history as well. Even in the moment, Ed was doing quite a bit more than slapping, and threatening to do much more.
MrDeath
12:07:23 PM Nov 23rd 2010
Part of the complication here is that the bulk of the beating was Shane taking his frustrations out on the nearest acceptable target. One or two initial hits might have been because of the incident he was stopping, but it very quickly became Shane using Ed as a punching bag because he was pissed about something unrelated.

So the thinking was less, "This is a member of the group with a long history of abuse, who deserves a good beating," and more, "Goddammit, I have to hit someone in the face. There's a guy who's enough of a douche that I can get away with it."
Wanderhome
09:59:02 PM Nov 26th 2010
Also, the trope itself isn't about whether the beating is more than Ed deserves or more than necessary; it's about whether the responce would be of a higher level of magnitude than the offence. In this case, a severe/fatal beating in response to a slap.
24.189.5.213
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09:39:05 PM Nov 9th 2010
Someone should add the fact that most military tactical vehicles and some emergency response vehicles use simply a push-button start and no keys what-so-ever. Vehicles like humvees, 7tons, the tank, and Firetrucks. So instead of grabbing a work truck to get keys, they coulda just grabbed the tank or one of the many humvees lining the streets.
MrDeath
09:50:45 AM Nov 10th 2010
I doubt any of them know how to drive a tank, and the streets are swarming with zombies. The trucks were out of the way, and relatively undead-free.
Westrim
09:54:16 AM Nov 10th 2010
Tanks are scarily easy to drive. Remember, a guy was able to jack one in San Diego, and it had few of the conveniences of modern tanks. That said, yes, the trucks were out of the way and perfectly suited for a drive up and run, with no windows or bars to smash or grab.
MrDeath
10:01:53 AM Nov 10th 2010
There's also the fact that tanks get abysmal gas mileage. You know how normal cars have a rating for miles to the gallon? A tank gets gallons to the mile. A tank may have be inpenetrable to zombies, but you're not going to go very far in it, nowhere near as far as even a gas-guzzling truck.
TuefelHundenIV
05:17:49 PM Oct 23rd 2011
The guy who jacked a tank had training and there are a few additional steps then just pushing a button. Every vehicle has a few things to press or pull in the right order if you don't they will not start. This prevents both the need for keys and keeps untrained personnel from stealing vehicles.
ParadiscaCorbasi
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12:58:44 PM Nov 7th 2010
The Headscratchers page links to the comic for The Walking Dead rather than the TV show, which is gonna spoiler folks potentially. Is there something we can do to make sure this link goes to the J-B-M for the TV show instead?
SomeGuy
02:57:30 PM Nov 7th 2010
...Huh, I don't think this has ever actually happened before. Two titles, both of which have It Just Bugs Me! pages, but don't have any relation to each other.

My knowledge of the software is limited, but I don't believe there's a current technical fix for this. Namespace is built under the assumption that everything under the individual namespaces is related to one another. Fixing this problem would require an overhaul of the system. You'd have to go the forums and make a direct appeal to the admin for a tech overhaul- it's beyond the ability of mortal tropers.

For the moment I've delivered a functional fix. Folder control has been modified on the It Just Bugs Me! page to distinguish between the Comic Book and the TV series. I've also turned The Walking Dead into a disambiguation page- I hadn't heard of the comic book until just now. It certainly doesn't have a substantial claim on the title "Walking Dead".
MrDeath
08:09:58 PM Nov 7th 2010
Uh, the series is based on the comic. They're definitely related.
SomeGuy
06:44:17 PM Nov 27th 2010
Um, yeah. I appear to have very badly misinterpreted Paradisca's post.

Fortunately, Wiki Magic stepped in to fix my errors, so we only have a slightly redundant disambiguation page to show for our troubles.
TuefelHundenIV
05:16:21 PM Oct 23rd 2011
There are notable differences in both the show and comic when compared side by side. How certain events happen and intereactions with certain characters etc.
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