Series Deadwood Discussion

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katachthonios
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09:55:45 AM Jan 1st 2017
As a corrective note without/prior to editing the page, the comment regarding the language being "largely anachronistic" is false, to where the show-runners point out the few instances of out-of-time phrases ad libbed in rich performances.

It was a town of miners, outlaws, and drunks; they did not speak in Hayes Code niceties.
johnnye
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03:33:48 AM Sep 17th 2014
Would it be fair to describe George Hearst as an ‹bermensch? He seems to consider himself inherently better than other people precisely because he does what he likes when they're too timid to do so. He's uncomfortable around people who don't immediately defer to his superiority. He has a grand vision of building a business empire, and thinks nothing of buying entire towns to allow it to happen. He doesn't seem to care a jot about what anyone else thinks of his actions, except insofar as they can make themselves an obstacle to him.
TuefelHundenIV
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10:10:29 AM Sep 14th 2013
Hi folks I need a bit of help with an example(s) from a Special Efforts thread. See InstantDeathBullet Sandbox for more details Links to threads are in the description.

Any help, suggestions, or other info can be posted to The Special Efforts thread

Are there any examples of Instant Death Bullet in the series at all?

  • Deadwood: Thoroughly averted — several characters have been shot and lived to tell the tale; folks with knives have killed a more people.

johnnye
07:38:56 AM Sep 20th 2013
edited by 85.210.118.154
Two very prominent characters die instantly when they're shot in the head at close range, but I'm not sure if that really fits the trope — isn't it about "Mooks die immediately when shot, important characters die slower or survive"?

I think there's a highwayman in an early episode who dies instantly when Wild Bill and Bullock both shoot him. There's only one character I can recall surviving being shot, which is listed under Kevlard.
johnnye
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08:07:25 PM Nov 25th 2012
The following was moved over from YMMV, but some of it (Jane in particular) reads like it might just be speculation. Are all these people canonically stated/implied to have been abused?

  • Freudian Excuse: Many character's personalities could be explained by their upbringing and parental influences (or lack thereof):
    • Al was beaten regularly as a child (the beating he received because of the death of his epileptic younger brother would explain both his sympathy to the Reverend Smith and his aversion to William's funeral) and was sold to an orphanage run by a woman who turned out to be pimping the children in her care. His opening of the Gem and hiring of girls from that same orphanage is a twisted way of protecting them, the same way Trixie mentions Al being protective the same way about Jewel.
    • Joanie Stubbs and her sister were sexually abused by their father before being sold to Cy, which made Joanie extremely protective of women in similar situations. Joanie recognizes a similar pattern of childhood sexual abuse in Wolcott as the reason for his extremely disturbed sexual tendencies.
    • Similarly Jane being abused by her father would explain her terror of Al as he confronts her in the Doc's office, as well as her extreme attachment to Wild Bill as a substitute father figure.
    • Word of God is that Seth's anger against injustice comes from his being regularly beaten by his father. Which is also the reason he ran away from home when he was younger.
    • Contrast this to more 'normal' and well adjusted characters like Sol who seems to have had a good relationship with his father.
TrollBrutal
08:28:05 PM Nov 25th 2012
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Seems very detailed, I guess the editor* who wrote it originally didn't make all that stuff up, and it's all backstory given in exposition or implied, considering there's an explicit part where Word of God is brought up. I'm gonna look it up anyway. It's been a while since the last rewatch... Quick wikisearch on Jane gives

" Despite offering little history of herself, she mentions to Charlie Utter after she's confronted by Al that she hadn't been that scared since she was a child, possibly telling that men like Cy and Al remind her of her own father"

The more speculative parts can be cut or rewritten neutrally, or the whole thing simply moved to Abusive Parents with just the facts (I thought about it when I moved it)

  • update: The editor is a regular expander of the characters sheet, so I'd say it's legit info (argumentum ad verecundiam aside of course, just a hint)
TrollBrutal
09:05:00 PM Nov 25th 2012
edited by TrollBrutal
The other wiki and http://deadwood.wikia.com/ (so-so wiki) confirm what's written there except for Jane, only inferred or implied . Will check the background of the historical character.

Rewritten in a bit more factual way under Abusive Parents. Jane example is only implied ...I'm not a big fan of listing subtext in the main article as this is almost fridge logic but in this case it appears to be intentionally there, given the ongoing motif, only the viewer has to connect the dots. Could be cut anyway if it's too borderline / reading too much into it.
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