Recap My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 2 E 8 The Mysterious Mare Do Well Discussion

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07:16:24 AM Jul 8th 2012
No Blink-and-miss Bishie Sparkle?
06:08:51 PM Dec 11th 2011
So what was up with the scene where the Mane Five loudly praise Mare Do Well in front of Rainbow Dash and then laugh at her? I've officially switched over to seeing their intentions as basically benevolent - RD is their friend, there is no way they'd actually want to hurt her feelings. But it's pretty hard to see what they were hoping to accomplish there.

Also, the tearjerker and CMOF pages imply they aren't actually laughing at Rainbow Dash. So what are they laughing at then?
12:10:33 AM Mar 13th 2013
I still see that as an intentional chain-yanking, to see if RD would catch on: Twilight, AJ, and Rarity each are bringing more attention to their OWN feats. But RD fails to put it together, and even Spike joins in with some selective quotation, which means RD has been completely bamboozled. Game on!
07:06:09 PM Dec 2nd 2011
edited by Voided939
Did anyone else notice the Batman: TAS signs seen at Mare-do-Well's celebratory parade have "Marduwelle" or something similar written across the bottom?
01:16:13 PM Dec 2nd 2011
Wait... Did the summary just get longer!? Not sure what everyone thinks, but i think we should cut out some of the more trivial things. I remember adding every little detail when I first wrote the summary, then people started cutting out unnecessary things, which I was okay with—made the summary shorter and brought the point across all the same. but now it's back to what it was before!?
10:14:02 AM Nov 29th 2011
The Breaking the Fourth Wall entry on the main page... It's definitely not breaking it; all she does is wink But it's not exactly Painting or LLeaning either... nor an Aside Glance...

Fellow tropers, what do you think?
02:24:48 PM Dec 1st 2011
If a character does something that shows they're aware of the audience, it's breaking the fourth wall. Dash's wink meant she was at least temporarily aware of the audience. So it is actually breaking the fourth wall.
04:45:20 PM Nov 28th 2011
I'm just a tad disappointed that nopony suggested awesomeriffic as the word to describe Rainbow.
12:18:06 AM Nov 28th 2011
Since this topic got derailed by peanut butter I just need to say this one thing. How did the moral of this episode seem like it was "Never EVER feel proud of your accomplishments," when Twilight LITERALLY SAID; "Its natural to feel proud of your accomplishments..." to which AJ continued, "But rubbin' it in ponies' faces, is NOT"

IT WAS COVERED IN THE DAMN EPISODE. Come on you guys, you're smarter than this.

03:33:21 AM Nov 28th 2011
Because everyone loves rainbow dash too much and will slam on anything that comes across as a possible insult. Yes, even her friends. In-universe, no less.

Plus, it's like the time people thought that Feeling Pinkie Keen was about Religion. just let it go and fade away as we wait for ep35.
05:48:19 AM Dec 1st 2011
I seem to recall a similar catfight over "Boast Busters" with Twilight and Trixie. It's par for the Internet whenever an Aesop that isn't black and white comes into play, although the one with Boast Busters was much stupider.
01:14:24 PM Dec 2nd 2011
To drive the point further, i believe "Boast Busters"s Aesop was similar to this one's: "You should feel good about your accomplishments AS LONG AS YOU DON'T LET YOUR EGO TAKE OVER."

except this episode focused more on the ego part
06:42:15 PM Dec 4th 2011
I imagine part of the reason is that before they said that they threw around things like 'a real hero doesn't brag' and 'it's important to act with grace and humility.' These are weird phrases to use for a group three of whose members are constantly claiming to be the best in all of Equestria at something.

They really needed to find a different way to say 'it's perfectly okay to mention you're awesome, but it's not okay to spend the entire day doing nothing except talking about how awesome you are.'
01:39:02 PM Jul 6th 2012
"Rubbing it in ponies' faces...." by, say, running around dressed up in a garish costume? Trying to upstage someone else who was already helping folks and saving lives? Making a big flashy entrance at a parade in your honor?

Oh wait....

11:37:38 PM Jul 16th 2012
Good thing they didn't go any of those things than. The costume was designed to make the hero faceless. They didn't didn't upstage Dash they simply saved the lives that she couldn't due to her own ego. Ponyville decided to throw a parade and they used the opportunity to reveal themselves to Dash.
11:52:57 AM Nov 27th 2011
edited by EpikuriousOranj
Rainbow Dash with her finger in the dike is surely an inversion of the self-sacrificing story of The Little Dutch Boy? First published in 1865, making the reference Older Than Radio. And stop sniggering at the back.

(Possibly YMMV, possibly taking it further, but her "you've gotta be kidding me" to the Mysterious Mare-do-Well's suddenly revealed magic sounds awfully like the ascended catchphrase of one of the characters in The Shield: Holland "Dutch" Wagenbach, specifically.)
11:28:56 AM Nov 27th 2011
Why did Disproportionate Retribution come back to the main page? shouldn't that go in YMMV? person who added it back said he put it there (in ymmv) originally, but...
01:37:27 PM Nov 29th 2011
I originally moved it to YMMV (I don't know who originally posted it), but then somebody else deleted it.

I think it's fine there, the YMMV page's entire purpose is for tropes not everybody necessarily agrees on, after all.
10:59:10 PM Nov 26th 2011
Nice to know someone else thought of Darkwing Duck. A while back I drew Darkwing as a pony, then I about died when I saw this episode.

The resemblance is really only in the hat and maybe the cap, but y'know...
09:55:04 AM Nov 26th 2011
edited by NoChorus
Am I the only one who thought that what the rest of the Mane Six did to show Rainbow Dash the error of her ways qualifies for Moral Dissonance?

I mean, their way of solving Rainbow's ego problem is show her up at every occasion possible, and then make her feel bad about it. . .classy.

10:01:06 AM Nov 26th 2011
Agreed. The aesop for the episode seems to basically be "Never, ever feel proud of your accomplishments, because obviously that means you're just an arrogant blowhard".
11:29:53 AM Nov 26th 2011
I don't think it's "never, ever feel proud". Rainbow was clearly being extremely arrogant earlier on (to the point of strutting on a stage and hiring Spike as a "ghostwriter" autobiographer), which visibly annoyed the others. So it's less of the actual "being proud" issue than "being an arrogant blowhard about it".

On a lesser note. I doubt that's a jar of peanut butter that was being opened, since, well, it's probably a bit hard to make it without machines, or to spread it on bread without fingers. I think it's just a jar of whole peanuts.
02:02:38 PM Nov 26th 2011
The unicorn is seen spreading it on bread right afterwards.

I hope you're not suggesting that peanut butter didn't exist before machinery was invented to expedite the process of creating it. And anyway we have seen factories (weather factories, but still) and in this very episode there is a hydroelectric plant.
06:02:12 PM Nov 26th 2011
Well, Drakrrth, the show does show characteristics of taking place in a late industrial era type setting. Hell, they've even spoken of power tools, tanks, and computers. It could be very possible that they have the machinery required to process peanut butter. Also, like the pony above said, it is possible to create peanut butter without mechanical assistance.

Also, in regards to our lovely little Aesop, they didn't exactly directly say the type of "Feeling proud of your accomplishments is bad and you should feel bad" that the fans are making it out to be. Applejack did make note of a kind of "While celebrating your accomplishments is fine, don't overblow it" type of thing in the report.
05:57:09 AM Nov 27th 2011
Sure, the others did show up Rainbow Dash every time, but they never directly interacted with her to put her down. Rainbow got as depressed as she did because she viewed Mare-do-Well as a direct challenge to her, when really her own arrogance was what caused her to fail. The whole episode focuses on that aspect rather than pride in your good deeds but I don't think they were intended to overlap.

The technology required for peanut butter is actually really simple; what I want to know is who the pony equivalent of George Washington Carver is.
10:28:18 AM Nov 27th 2011
edited by Canonier
Their actions made me incredibly upset at first too, until I saw this episode compared to "Party Of One" and realized there is no way Rainbow Dash's reactions were what the others wanted. They meant to make her jealous, yes, but if they realized just how depressed they were making her, they'd probably feel horrible about it.

Once I got that and watched the episode again, it became just another case of ponies not realizing how badly one of their number was freaking out. A little thoughtless, yeah, but much less malicious than if you assume they meant to make her feel bad.
10:31:48 AM Nov 27th 2011
I think the question is not why they have peanut butter, but why they put it in containers that need twisting when they lack opposable thumbs.
11:29:35 AM Nov 27th 2011
edited by Ryonne
Uh, have you perhaps considered mouths or horns?
12:46:11 AM Apr 6th 2012
It's more that the mane 6 didn't even bother to try talking to Dash. They just went straight to trying to "humble" her. That, and "we need to take this hero down a peg" has got to rate as one of the WORST heroic motivations ever.....
01:36:50 PM Jul 6th 2012
Let's also add that they tried to teach her to be "humble"—- by grandstanding and hogging the spotlight themselves.
11:35:02 PM Jul 16th 2012
Yes,because talking to Dash would have worked. Because that always works in these types of episodes. Also, they didn't grandstand, they saved the day, generally while Dash was busy risking the lives of ponies by grandstanding, and then they left.
01:15:34 AM Nov 20th 2012
Irrelevant. YOU TALK TO YOUR FRIEND, FIRST, then do something drastic only AFTER that doesn't work. That's how friends do thing!
08:26:39 AM Nov 26th 2011
Why is it necessary to check out the article? It just makes it more annoying for us tropers who just want to add stuff.
11:17:52 AM Nov 26th 2011
Because checking it out is how edits...and additions...are made.
08:22:14 AM Nov 26th 2011
Regarding the costume similarities, aside from the hat, Mare Do Well really doesn't resemble Darkwing in any way. I agree with whoever posted the edit that the similarities are closer to Spoiler rather than Darkwing, down to the hoof-gloves and full face mask.
07:30:18 PM Nov 26th 2011
Darkwing Duck is a part of the classic 90s renaissance of animation which the staff would have watched in some of there formative years much like Lauren Faust herself based the ponies on the ones for G1 she played with in the 80s. Heck there's B:TAS so obviously referenced this episode of the same period.

Stephanie Brown is a minor comics character who's only recieved something like larger attention in recent years for briefly being Robin and then "dying" only to not. However point being she has not been adapted to other media, despite Batman appearing almost continually on TV for how long now?

The only reason there is a resemblance is a full body coverage, which is required by the plot involving multiple masquerading ponies, and the overall color scheme. And the color scheme is equally similar to Darkwing Duck. Knowing that the hat has to be there for a reason, Darkwing is the simplest explanation for the costume.

A great cartoon giving a shout out to another great cartoon. Occam's razor favors this and none of the other costume nonsense.
02:38:30 PM Nov 27th 2011
The hat is probably the most explicable part: the costume is visually intended to be an amalgam of The Shadow, Zorro, or maybe a more ninja'ed and caped version of Carmen Sandiego. And yes, the duck. Occam's razor is best applied to the notion that it's a reference to just one particular hero, wouldn't you say? The general "mysterious hat, cape and mask" profile is deeply ingrained in popular culture since the advent of B&W cinema and pulp novels.

(She's wearing Spidey's mask and ninja-like cloth leg bindings / puttees, which must make a quick-change act difficult. I'd like a visual ref for that collar though. It's fabulous.)
05:42:34 PM Nov 27th 2011
All of which I would put above Stephanie Brown/Spoiler personally.

The hat and color scheme combined favor Darkwing foremost, though as you say the duck is has several elements from an array of classic pulp heroes. The Spidey connection can be substantiated by "Friendly Neighborhood RD" being shouted across the episode, and Spidey is a big superhero in his own right. Though we start to get increasinly unworkable beyond that.

By the time we'd get to Carmen Sandiego we'd might as well list Alucard who also wears the hat in red and everybody else with a huge brimmed fedora-esque Nice Hat we can find. Are there resemblances, sure. Does this all rank as some explicit shout out, is a separate more dubious level.

At the very least we don't need the costume taking up five bullets so it needs clean up. Which I shall do in the hopes I can get a slot.
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