Recap My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 2 E 14 The Last Roundup Discussion

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11:49:38 PM Nov 30th 2012
This is under Toon Physics: Although the flywheel is mounted to the side of the conveyor belt, when Applejack stops suddenly after running very fast on it, the cherries fly forward, yet somehow still manage to plaster Applejack. Of course, it was rather humorous.

Could someone explain to me why this is Toon Physics? Shouldn't the laws of inertia still apply to the cherries? The flywheel was the source of "power" for the conveyor belt, and since it was going really fast, it would make sense that the cherries were still able to fly at Applejack.

Or is this just worded strangely/I just misinterpreted it.
10:40:44 PM Mar 2nd 2012
Derpy Hooves January 21, 2012 - February 24, 2012 She just wanted muffins.

They changed Derpy?!? The fuck were they thinking?!
11:36:10 AM Mar 7th 2012
edited by Miyajima
According to the writer of the episode, after the episode aired, both she and Hasbro received about a dozen complaints from viewers about the 'insensitive portrayal' and 'insulting name'. Whilst the writer herself was unaware that the term 'Derpy' can be taken to mean 'retarded' (indeed, it was one of the original meanings of the word in its internet usage), she was understandably upset about the complaints, especially since she has a son who is himself 'severely disabled'.

Correspondence went back and forth between the Fi M team and Hasbro, but in the end Hasbro made the decision to remove mention of the name and change the voice in response to the complaints.

Cue massive raging from the fanbase, but personally I think they were just being a decent company.

Full story here:
01:43:30 PM Feb 19th 2012
Does the mailpony who thinks that the party is for him have a nickname yet? I want to write a story about him, but I can't seem to find a name anywhere. If not, suggestions?
11:39:19 AM Feb 23rd 2012
Call him Special Delivery. That's what I refer to him as.
06:36:44 AM Jan 27th 2012
According to Equestria Daily, Tabitha thought Derpy was a male pony, and gave her a voice similar to a neighbor's son that she knew. Probably not a trope, but it's some weird trivia for Cross-Dressing Voices.
07:36:48 AM Jan 22nd 2012
This entry is not YMMV, but someone removed it for being inaccurate as well. Can some brony clear this up?
  • Idiot Ball: Tha Mane Six tried everything to make AJ talk about her problem: disturb her during work, torture her, haunt her 'till the end.... . However not even once, and I mean once, they stopped for a second and thought that maybe they should've just, I don't know, reasoning with her perhaps? This is especially bad for Twilight, who is (or at least have the fame to be) the most reasonable of the group, but here she acts as stupidly as the others (if not worst). Definitely Out of Character for her.
12:39:40 PM Jan 22nd 2012
It ignores the first encounter with her - during which the rest of the mane cast, after expressing relief and concern, ask her directly what's going on, and she refuses to speak. It's established in canon (see Applebuck season) that once Applejack decides something, it's very difficult to persuade her to change her mind. While it's surprising that they didn't try reassuring her that they were her friends and thus get her to open up that way, it's not Idiot Ball material: it's possible that this was implied to be the case anyway. If she's not willing to tell even her closest friends, then it must be serious and they needed other strategies. They didn't even know what kind of problem it was.

The "disturbing her during work" was their getting employed so that they had a chance to talk to AJ. The "torture" wasn't exactly thumbscrews - it was Pinkie being annoying until AJ got the message that they weren't going away without an explanation. And the "haunt"... well, she was trying to run away after promising to tell them.

AJ could have saved herself a lot of trouble if she'd just been honest during their first encounter, but she was too ashamed to talk.
04:17:51 AM Jan 22nd 2012
Am I the only one bothered by how far the Mane group went in order to try to get Applejack back to Ponyville? They interfered with her job and incited a panicked chase in which somepony could have got badly hurt or killed, not to mention the constant harassment- and yet this is all right? I get that they're concerned for her, but isn't a part of friendship respecting your friend's wishes and not deliberately fucking things up for them?
01:59:26 PM Jan 22nd 2012
Perhaps they did go a little overboard, but it was nothing that Applejack did not consent to or initiate herself. They didn't particularly interfere with her job, just talked to her while working alongside her. Applejack caused the conveyor belt to go out of control on her own, though Twilight, Rarity and Rainbow Dash should have stayed by the sorting belt. The chase was something that Applejack started by taking a carriage, and judging from the way Fluttershy avoided the bunny in their path, I doubt the Mane group would have caused any real harm with their carriage. Besides Rarity failing to catch Pinkie Pie, I mean.

As far as the intensity of their actions goes, think about this: Applejack has rarely ever strayed from her home in Ponyville, and even got her cutie mark from realizing she belonged on the apple orchard. She has demonstrated a resounding dedication to her job and home in Ponyville, to a point where asking for help is extremely difficult for her, and abandoning her job, home or family for any reason is virtually out of the question. Applejack suddenly running away from Ponyville indicates that something has gone seriously wrong, and the Mane group are, understandably, very concerned as her friends and on behalf of her family.

Respecting your friend's wishes is important, but you should also recognize when a friend is seriously troubled by something, and when it interferes with your friend's life, it is responsible to help him or her any way you can.
06:06:50 PM Jan 21st 2012
Do we have proof who voiced Derpy? There was no credit for her in the end credits of the episode.
06:09:09 PM Jan 21st 2012
06:48:51 PM Jan 21st 2012
That'd qualify as Word of God all right.
02:01:45 PM Jan 21st 2012
Sooo.... can we say for sure now that Derpy has crossed the threshold from "Background Pony" to "Minor Character"?
02:52:17 PM Jan 21st 2012
Let's not get carried away. Carrot Top is still a background pony, and she has talked in more episodes than Derpy has. Just based on the show, not the fandom, Derpy is still a background pony.
03:58:48 AM Jan 22nd 2012
Well, Cheerilee and the Mayor are classified as minor characters, but they have far more scenes than Derpy, and are more prominent in the stories they appear in than Derpy ever has been (except for this episode). If Derpy has more scenes like this one in future episodes, though, she might be promoted to minor character.
12:56:35 PM Jan 21st 2012
So with her clumsiness, distractedly playing around, and Simpleton Voice, are we supposed to assume Derpy to be mentally handicapped, or just ditzy?
01:21:44 PM Jan 21st 2012
Until we get more ample proof that she is handicapped, we can't call her more than ditzy just based off of her connotation and actions
01:51:21 PM Jan 21st 2012
Tumblr was arguing earlier over whether or not her portrayal/voice was ableist or not. I've seen arguments for both.
03:20:50 PM Jan 21st 2012
edited by ParadiscaCorbasi
I think her portrayal is somebody who is kinda klutzy (and who maybe needs glasses all the time like Twist) and who maybe lives in her own little world a bit, but not necessarily handicapped/differently abled.

Given how this show tries with a sincere heart to be sensitive to certain topics, I can't see that they're using Derpy as a "let's mock the disabled" object.
04:48:28 PM Jan 21st 2012
Could that qualify as an example of "Unfortunate Implications?" Or perhaps it's more YMMV.
06:49:37 PM Jan 21st 2012
I'm mentally handicapped (to an extent) and I don't necessarily act like Derpy. I prefer to assume that she is like Pinkie Pie, but with derpy eyes and wings.
11:14:20 PM Jan 21st 2012
Honestly, I'm somewhat mentally handicapped, and I know several bronies who are as well, to a much greater extent than I, and we all loved Derpy. In fact, I tend to get more annoyed with people who try to be offended on my behalf than I do at characters like Derpy. I thought she was adorable before, and I think she's even more adorable now. She was klutzy, not retarded.
03:36:48 AM Jan 22nd 2012
She has funny eyes, a low, slow voice, and is clumsy, but that's it. That's not conclusive evidence that she's mentally handicapped. A bit uncoordinated, maybe, but when your eyes point in two directions at once, who wouldn't be?

Personally, I thought the voice was just to make her sound adorable. Which it does.
03:02:28 PM Jan 23rd 2012
Would we even be having this argument if Derpy was male?

We've had characters on the show that have acted even stupider ("Bringing a house-sized bear right into into town is an awesome idea!"). So the idea that a klutzy female one being deemed offensive just comes off as promoting the Double Standard and Positive Discrimination that Lauren Faust had been trying to avert.

I think Canon!Derpy is a great addition.
07:17:19 PM Jan 23rd 2012
Yes, we would be having this argument if Derpy was male. Derpy is monumentally important to the fandom, as evidenced by the enormous reaction her appearance garnered, and each fan that watched the episode had a different portrayal of the character in their mind, which implied different expectations. Derpy's gender had nothing to do with that. There were no expectations of Snips or Snails, so seeing them act stupid is really just establishing character. But the expectations heaped on Derpy come from mountains of fan material, which is not entirely fair on the studio or the character, but predictably, they have conflicted with Derpy's actual appearance. I believe that the "offense" that fans are perceiving is less about the portrayal and more about the conflict it creates with fan works used to build the image of Derpy in the fandom's head. Claiming that Derpy was portrayed as mentally handicapped, or as the less charitable put it, retarded, is just how those fans are expressing their displeasure at having their expectations crushed. The truth of the matter is that Derpy was not portrayed as a mentally handicapped pony, just as a flying and sitting disaster area. I also like to think of her as a younger mare, younger than the Mane Six but just barely full-grown. I know they all have vague ages, but the voice sounds very young to me.

tl;dr Fan Dumb is dumb, Derpy is still awesome. Also, if you still think her name should be Ditzy Doo... eh, her last name hasn't been mentioned yet? *shrug*
11:21:26 AM Jan 21st 2012
Um, we need a different pic, considering this one reveals the entire point of the episode and is a major, major spoiler.
11:34:13 AM Jan 21st 2012
12:29:36 PM Jan 21st 2012
The same could be said of the pic for "Hearth's Warming Eve". But I agree. Might I suggest a picture of the scene where Applejack's note is read?
02:31:00 PM Jan 21st 2012
That would probably be the best idea. The one we have now is too blurry if nothing else.
02:33:48 PM Jan 21st 2012
I can go dig up the reading the note image. I was looking for a pic that highlighted applejack since she was the star.
02:55:54 PM Jan 21st 2012
Hmm. If we'd rather place the focus on Applejack, can we get a good picture of her during the Ponyville ceremony or at the train station before she leaves?
03:10:18 PM Jan 21st 2012
edited by manhandled
I replaced the blurry one with Twilight reading the note. I can get one during the ponyville ceremony.

UPDATE: There. Got one with Applejack getting on the train as everypony looks on. I actually like this one better now that I've had time to watch the episode a few more times, because it highlights how Mayor Mare is putting all that pressure on AJ to bring home the money.
10:07:09 AM Jan 21st 2012
Am I the only one slightly disappointed that Derpy's official name is "Derpy"?

I just can't reconcile that name with the rest of the setting.
10:15:38 AM Jan 21st 2012
Maybe it's a nickname, since it started out as a Fandom nickname.

Pinkie Pie's name is Pinkamena but she goes by Pinkie.

So maybe Derpy is Wonderpinning or something like that.
10:19:28 AM Jan 21st 2012
I can go with that.
11:02:40 AM Jan 21st 2012
Her official name could be Bonecrusher and she would still be Derpy to me. I can understand the weirdness of having it actually said in the show, though.
08:23:17 PM Mar 19th 2012
Sane people were PLEASED that they gave a nod to the fanbase. Whiny complainomatics and cowardly execs had to ruin it for everyone though.

And the screaming hypocrisy of it is that if Derpy was "offensive" (you were not put on this earth to never be offended, people!) What the hell does that make Snails? Or Screwloose, or Screwball? Or senile old Granny Apple? We could add Zecora to the list but the incredible Ethnically Sensitive Humor Impaired already bitched about her as a "racist stereotype of Africans"— then bitched about her again when she wore a long white wig and dress on Nightmare Night, saying they were "Caucasianizing her."

Moral of the story, Political Correctness is a festering cancer. DON'T LET IT SPREAD.
10:58:45 PM Sep 12th 2012
I know this reply is from March, but all I have to say is

"Moral of the story, Political Correctness is a festering cancer. DON'T LET IT SPREAD."

This, so damn much.
07:56:31 AM Jan 21st 2012
There has to be a trope for the scene wherein the Mane Five are looking for AJ, showing a black and white Polaroid picture. It was definitely in the style of the photos produced by the old SX 70 camera, which hasn't been in production in years. I can't begin to think what the trope would be? It's not quite Society Marches On. Any ideas?
08:51:13 AM Jan 21st 2012
I'm not sure what sort of trope you're going for here. Are you pointing out the old-fashioned style of the photo? That might be another example of Schizo Tech if anything, but we saw a camera capable of color photography in "May the Best Pet Win!" so I don't think that's justifiable.
10:17:24 AM Jan 21st 2012
It was weird that they were using an old school black and white Polaroid, yes, especially when we have seen color photography is available. Maybe it was an old photo they just magic-copied or something. Dash is more concerned with looking good and looking awesome than the practical, down to earth Apples, so it makes sense now that you got me thinking about it more deeply. Thanks!
11:09:39 AM Jan 21st 2012
Actually, I'm more in the dark than I was before. Their color photography isn't all that vibrant; the colors on each of Rainbow Dash's photos are a little faded. If I recall correctly, however, the black and white photo of Applejack didn't look like it had aged all that much, though I didn't pay that much attention to the details.
12:48:23 PM Jan 21st 2012
Possibly it was a sepia-toned photograph, the kind that are so popular at many Old West themed events. Exactly the kind of event that Applejack would go to. Maybe so posed for an old-timey photo as a souvenir, and gave copies to her friends as gifts.
07:10:16 PM Jan 19th 2012
The new leaked video is absolutely fascinating. Is anypony else expecting that this will tie into the plot of next episode for our first two-parter that doesn't open a season? Because if so, I think that means our lovely team is taking full advantage of the possibilities for this show; longer plot lines, interesting events across episodes, all these are just fantastic with the show's quality as it is.

01:36:12 AM Jan 26th 2012
edited by Appjeackxpinkie
This episode was a months waiting worth.

And the only best part of Derpy was when Derpy cheered for Applejack.
10:54:49 AM Dec 24th 2011
So, we wait all year for Applejack's feature episode, we get a delectable hint in the upcoming DVD compilation, we're all pumped up, and... it's the other ponies looking for her. *heh*
09:56:57 AM Dec 27th 2011
It seems to be a Running Gag with the show's makers to not give Applejack or Fluttershy their own episodes, excepting "Applebuck Season" and "Dragonshy" respectively. (And possibly "Look Before You Sleep" and "Green Isn't Your Color" as well, though those also mainly focus on Rarity and Twilight.)
10:38:33 AM Dec 28th 2011
edited by moocow1452
I'd give Stare Master and a Bird in the Hoof to Fluttershy. Applejack has Sisterhoof Social, and that's a split ticket with Rarity.
10:44:36 AM Dec 29th 2011
I always considered "Stare Master" to be a Cutie Mark Crusaders episode, but you're right, "Bird in the Hoof" probably counts as a Fluttershy episode. And "Sisterhooves Social" was technically a Rarity episode with Applejack as a major supporting character.

Still, I'm pretty sure Twilight, Rarity, Rainbow Dash, and...maybe Pinkie Pie (my memory's not that good right now) have gotten more than three of "their" episodes. So the show makers don't really favor AJ or 'Shy.
05:12:51 PM Dec 29th 2011
A Bird In The Hoof is easily a Fluttershy episode. Sisterhooves Social is really geared towards Sweetie Belle, then Rarity, then Applejack.
01:08:25 PM Jan 1st 2012
I get that. What I'm getting at is that AJ and Shy haven't had nearly as many of "their" episodes as the others (Spike excluded).
09:58:48 AM Jan 17th 2012
Fluttershy hasn't had focus? Really? I consider "Dragonshy", "The Stare Master", "Green Isn't Your Color" and "A Bird in the Hoof" to be Fluttershy episodes. Admittedly she doesn't have as many as Twilight, Rarity or Rainbow Dash, but it's nowhere near the deprivation Applejack has experienced. Apple Bloom has more episodes than her big sister.
12:46:09 PM Jan 21st 2012
Applejack features in more episodes than practically any other pony (excluding Twilight). She's usually the Straight Man of the group. Many writers have difficulties working such characters into any other role.
06:44:12 PM Jan 21st 2012
Fluttershy has been a major character in several episodes, but usually alongside another character. "Dragonshy" is all her, yes, but she shared "The Stare Master" with the CMC, "Green Isn't Your Color" with Rarity, and "A Bird in the Hoof" with Twilight.
03:52:05 AM Jan 22nd 2012
edited by BlueChameleon
But Fluttershy hasn't had one at all for Season Two yet. There are still eight unconfirmed episodes to go, so she might have a sudden string of them like AJ is getting now.

As for AJ, aren't you forgetting Look Before You Sleep, Fall Weather Friends and Over A Barrel? They count as AJ episodes, even if she shared the first one with Rarity and both of the last two with RD. Bridle Gossip might count as another shared one, given the AJ-Apple Bloom dynamic was quite prominent in that episode.

I wonder if someone somewhere is keeping a list to track who gets how many episodes.
10:52:38 AM Jan 22nd 2012
I did one for season 1:

Mare in the Moon: TWILIGHT Elements of Harmony: ENSEMBLE Ticket Master: TWILIGHT Applebuck Season: APPLEJACK Griffon the Brush Off: PINKIE/RAINBOW Boast Busters: TWILIGHT Dragonshy: FLUTTERSHY Look Before You Sleep: APPLEJACK/RARITY Bridle Gossip: ENSEMBLE Swarm of the Century: ENSEMBLE Winter Wrap-Up: TWILIGHT Call of the Cutie: APPLEBLOOM Fall Weather Friends: APPLEJACK/RAINBOW Suited For Success: RARITY Feeling Pinkie Keen: TWILIGHT/PINKIE Sonic Rainboom: RAINBOW/RARITY The Stare Master: FLUTTERSHY/CMC The Show Stoppers: CMC A Dog and Pony Show: SPIKE/RARITY Green Isn't Your Color: RARITY/FLUTTERSHY Over a Barrel: ENSEMBLE A Bird in the Hoof: FLUTTERSHY The Cutie Mark Chronicles: ENSEMBLE Owl's Well That Ends Well: SPIKE/TWILIGHT Party of One: PINKIE The Best Night Ever: ENSEMBLE

I mostly just went by how much screen time a character got, as well as how prominent they are to the dynamic of the story, although I did fudge a bit with Twilight in episodes like Applebuck Season and A Bird in the Hoof, simply because she's the viewpoint character and somepony needs to act as a plot motivator.

Curiously, in season 1, Applejack is dead even with Pinkie Pie and Applebloom (1 centric, 2 double bills), and ahead of Rainbow Dash, whose episodes are all shared with another character. It's just that all of Applejack's episodes are front-loaded, i.e. when bronies would watch a whole string of them after getting addicted to the show. Now that we actually have to wait for new episodes, it seems more unfair than it actually is.
02:11:25 PM Jan 22nd 2012
I actually keep track of episodes by writers and focus. Before "The Last Roundup", the ponies with the most focus are Twilight and Rarity, very closely followed by Rainbow Dash. Pinkie Pie has several episodes with a minor focus, but few with a major focus, so she ranks below Rainbow Dash. Then comes Fluttershy, who hasn't had focus since the first season but had a decent number of episodes in that season, and lastly Applejack who of course had almost nothing before this episode.
08:07:21 AM Jan 26th 2012
Yeah, I agree with that, actually. I still think Fluttershy should have more of "her" episodes as much as Applejack, but then again that may be because she's my favourite character.
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