What's Happening



collapse/expand topics back to Pantheon/HeroesAndVillains

03:37:23 PM Dec 14th 2012
edited by MarqFJA
Should this be finally cut, since the contents are now in Pantheon.Ambiguity?
09:02:08 AM Oct 19th 2012
<Mod Hat>

Page needs splitting, as it's over 400,000 characters long.
05:09:34 PM Oct 19th 2012
We've prepared separate House of Heroes and House of Villains. Now only a matter of time of someone moving things in. Let's do it, guys!
01:21:54 PM Oct 22nd 2012
I've been trying to keep this problem in check for quite some time with little to no success, so I agree.

I propose we take it even further by adding the House of Ambiguity for antiheroes, antivillains, wild cards, and other morally ambiguous character archetypes. This proposal has the advantage of much greater accuracy and of accounting for ambiguous characters. Examples of characters that would go in said house.

1. Laharl (T1 antivillain) 2. Guts (T5 antihero) 3. Lambadelta (supreme wild card) 4. Travis Touchdown
02:22:31 AM Sep 30th 2012
A couple suggestions: Croup and Vandemar as gods of Those Two Bad Guys, and the Master from Doctor Who as god of people called The Master and cliche beards of evil.
04:25:06 PM Aug 16th 2012
edited by magnum12
Seems we're getting to critical mass in terms of size (488k/500k) YET AGAIN. Recommend moving some of the entries into more fitting houses.

1. Hayate to the House of Family

2. Eric Raymond to House of Emotion

3. Etna to House of Personal Appearance

4. Dien Wai to House of War

In addition, a House of Crime for criminal archtypes/crime tropes. That would move Lupin and Candlejack along with others from different houses.

Edit: Even with all the change arounds, we're STILL at 450k/500k (90% capacity).
01:42:05 AM Aug 17th 2012
Aizen already have a membership in the Mentalism house.

I agree with YHVH's removal though.

However, I do not think that they will be enough. There's a need for MORE moving.
09:10:10 AM Aug 17th 2012
edited by magnum12
Added a bunch of additions and removed some based on actions already taken (rightly so).
10:53:10 PM Aug 23rd 2012
edited by Megafighter3
Maybe we should split the two houses in half. House of Heroes and a House of Villains.
01:09:37 PM Aug 26th 2012
One problem with that. What do we do with the very morally ambiguous characters?
08:16:11 PM Aug 26th 2012
Good question. Maybe we'll let them stay in the remaining page until they find a new house.
09:36:33 AM Aug 2nd 2012
[Spoilers ahead for No More Heroes fans] Should Travis still be the God of Protagonists You're Not Supposed to Like, considering that he becomes a slightly better person at the end of the second game?
10:52:29 PM Aug 23rd 2012
Well, I think it's more meant to be This Loser Is You then how likable he is.
04:06:29 AM Jun 28th 2012
Wouldn't Sideways be better for Heel-Face Revolving Door ? he literally comes with a self switching symbol for crying out loud!
04:43:41 PM Jun 28th 2012
Are you saying this because you don't even know the current God for this position (Kain)?
02:17:50 PM Jun 27th 2012
Seriously? GUTS??? i Nominate Batman for god of antiheroes, and you know he'll win the election he's the Godamn Batman!
04:55:59 PM Jun 27th 2012
Batman already have a place as the God of Preparations.
10:44:51 PM Jun 27th 2012
12:46:39 AM Apr 11th 2012
Warning: Spoilers for The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword 's ending.

Considering Demise has retroactively hijacked every hijacking Ganon has done, should we have him replace Ganon as god of Hijacked by Ganon?
10:16:34 AM Apr 11th 2012
I'd say have Demise as an alternate name for Ganon covered with spoilers.
06:39:36 AM Apr 6th 2012
We should make Kirby god of Badass Adorable.
11:31:04 PM Apr 10th 2012
He's already in the house of food IIRC.
08:34:16 PM Mar 6th 2012
edited by magnum12
Oyashiro-Sama's portfolio could use some work. Given what's really going on, I think she should also be goddess of Corrupt Church, noting the difference between her actual alignment and the alignment of the bastardized faith.
08:42:04 AM Mar 6th 2012
Mandy is in the wrong house. Notion to move her to the house of family?
12:14:15 AM Feb 10th 2012
edited by magnum12
Any ideas for a god of Evil Knock Off? For obvious reasons, we can't use Metal Sonic, despite being a pretty good example.

Me thinks we should use the following criteria:

1. Largest alignment shift: Who is the nastiest, most evil of all the Evil Knock Offs in comparison to the base material? 2. Power: Who is the most dangerous evil knock off? 3. Duration: Since most Evil Knock Off types tend to be one shot villains, who has the longest run before being Killed Off for Real?

From those, I'm thinking of two candidates: the Psycho Rangers (pretty iconic Sentai villain archetype IIRC), and Copy-X (messiah type vs psychotic tyranical Knight Templar nut job, Big Bad turned recurring villain). Anyone else want to add more candidates for discussion?
06:54:48 AM Feb 11th 2012
I'd say Mechakara would be a good fit.
12:10:59 AM Feb 12th 2012
Oh yeah, forgot about him.
11:17:33 AM Feb 12th 2012
Plus, the psycho rangers are more of a group than a single entity.
04:23:05 AM Mar 4th 2012
Eh, Mechakara is more of a Zig-zagged case, more an evil Poyo than an evil Linkara... What about Omega/Omega Zero as Zero's counterpart? Maybe even have him and Copy X share it.
07:35:17 AM Mar 4th 2012
Omega HAS another position already though.
08:38:08 AM Mar 6th 2012
^^ He does, as god of Robotic Psychopath in the house of technology. There is no better candidate for that trope anywhere given the blood bath he caused.

Seems we do have a potential second vote for Copy X. Later I'll have to make a proto-type portfolio.
08:15:51 PM Mar 6th 2012
edited by magnum12
Here's that prototype I promised.

Copy X, God of Evil Knockoffs
  • Lesser God
  • Symbol: His helmet over a triple pair of energy wings.
  • Alignment: Lawful Evil
  • Portfolio: Evil Knock Off, Knight Templar, Light Is Not Good.
  • Domain: Law, Evil, War, Light, Protection.
  • Allies: Weil, Omega, Mithos, Gi Guy, Altena
  • Enemies: Zero, Mega Man, Optimus Prime, Bender, Harpuia
  • Harpuia used to be his loyal lieutenant. That is until the "Missile Incident".
02:16:46 PM Jun 27th 2012
Nemesis Prime

08:44:19 AM Feb 4th 2012
Suggestion: Eiji Hino of Kamen Rider OOO for God of Heroes with Traumatic Pasts or Good is not Dumb. The former... he was an emmisary to an African village for his father, who had donated money to it... in order to fund a civil war, which Eiji didn't know about, which ended up killing a little girl he befriended and robbing him of all desire (Aside from reaching out to help anyone who needs help), with him becoming a self sufficient world travelling wanderer.

The latter... he got given his Transformation Trinket by one of the monsters, who thought he was stupid (due to acting overly heroic and not asking questions when he was handed the device out of nowhere). Next episode.... he threatens to throw the Trinket away (the monster relying on him transforming) unless he stops prioritizing things over human lives.

04:05:08 PM Feb 3rd 2012
You know, I feel like Buu would fir more as the God of Reverse Cerebus Syndrome. How about you guys?
08:36:49 AM Feb 4th 2012
Originally called the "Buu Syndrome", so seconded.
12:23:30 AM Feb 12th 2012
07:25:19 PM Jan 21st 2012
I think we can do better than Dischord for god of Vile Villain, Saccharine Show. As of now, I have three candidates for the posistion.

1. Any of the villains from Kirby. This trope is one of the major tropes this series is famous for. Especially that guy that puts out his own eyes for attacks (bleeding all the way).

2. Giygas. Need I say more.

3. Overlord Zenon.

Using the last one as an example, she's a better fit due to being an extreme example of the trope i.e. a light hearted parody of anime and RPG suddenly gets dark the moment she shows up as she's a psycopathic solitary CANNIBAL (that would be the worst ending, in which she possesses the hero and causes him to brutally kill and devour his adopted siblings, which is such a Shocking Swerve that it often gets compared to Silent Hill or the infamous NICE BOAT ending).
12:30:37 AM Jan 23rd 2012
Giygas is already on here.
05:26:07 PM Jan 24th 2012
Another thing in favor of Zenon. We have yet to have any villains from her respective series on here. Perhaps since she's the most frightening one of the bunch, why not use her?
07:30:19 PM Jan 24th 2012
edited by FriedDoughStickEater
Actually I would have put Kirby villians ahead of Overlord Zenon. Primary reason is that I consider them to be much more prominent than Zenon or Disgaea or Discord for that matter. BTW Discord's entry is listed in multiple places. Including the GUAE.
08:33:35 PM Jan 24th 2012
In regards to Kirby, which one is the best example? I've only really played Dream Land, Adventure, Squeak Squad, and Super Star, so I don't know that much about the villains except for Dedede, Meta Knight, Nightmare, and Marx.

As for Zenon, this sums up the HSQ, Shocking Swerve, and High Octane Nightmare Fuel aspects of her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02XfTf874YY. That ending is so infamous that it was censored in the US version to avoid an M rating
10:32:58 PM Jan 24th 2012
Zero and his revived form as Zero 2 would be the best. He's the eyeball one. On the record of Zenon, that ending unfortunately does nothing for me. It merely reinforces my belief that Disgaea can not be called saccharine. As it is, I'm in favor of Kirby villains. Because I also think Discord doesn't fit either. For me, the important thing is the disconnect between the two concepts and how jarring it is. Kirby villains do a greater job of that than the alternatives I've seen so far.
07:06:15 PM Jan 25th 2012
edited by magnum12
Do write up a good portfolio for Zero 2. There's one big question on my mind. How do we do it so as not to cause confusion with that OTHER Zero?

As for Disgaea, trust me, they are very light hearted games (except 4 which is darker than the other chapters yet manages to keep the sense of humor). Much of the series T rating (about 80% of it me thinks) stems from the humor, which tends to be quite acid tongued and naughty, which fits as the series is a parody of anime and RP Gs. The second game managed to stay quite light hearted, right until Zenon showed up 6/7ths of the way through and became the game's Knight of Cerebus.

Even if not under Vile Villain, Saccharine Show, I still think Zenon needs to stay in the pantheon somehow. Perhaps under HSQ or Shocking Swerve. That worst ending (not canon) is so infamous amongst the RPG crowd that I've seen comparisons to Silent Hill, the legendary School Days NICE BOAT ending, and Miragushi. Now a days, I think the ending gets used on the internet as a PG "shock site" style prank (namely by Poke the Poodle [[[{Troll}} trolls]]) to horrify and frighten people to this day.
08:01:14 PM Jan 25th 2012
Kirby replacement is up now. It's not up to standards, but it'll do.
08:11:27 PM Jan 25th 2012
The way it is now is not that bad actually. Just needs refinements. One last question. Under what house would the tropes HSQ and Shocking Swerve fit under?
12:39:21 PM Jan 26th 2012
Ask elsewhere, because I don't know nor do I care at this point. Try maybe the main discussion page for the main Trope Pantheon page. Not Main House though.
06:06:09 PM Feb 9th 2012
...And it seemed like someone decided to add Discord back.

I'm going to be honest. I find the whole thing extremely silly.
07:02:54 PM Feb 9th 2012
edited by ChrisX
It's like My Little Pony is suffering some sort of Fan Myopia here. It's getting like the Haruhi of Western Animation. Come on now...

At any rate, while I haven't seen the show, I seriously would consider Akihiro Kurata for the position.
11:47:28 PM Feb 9th 2012
edited by magnum12
No, its not Fan Myopia acting here, Bronies have a very unsavory reputation for being an EXTREMELY aggressive and invasive fandom, often trying to subvert other fandoms via ponification of the material. The snarker in me wants to say that they seem to have some sort of obcession with conquering the internet or something.

Haven't seen the show, so I wouldn't know anything about Akihiro. However, Vile Villain, Saccharine Show is one of THE main things associated with the Kirby series, with Zero 02 being the most extreme of the bunch.
06:58:03 AM Feb 11th 2012
If that were true, I would have argued for Discord to stay in his spot. I may be a Brony, but even I can understand that when a guy plucks out his eyes to attack you in an E-rated game, that he's the most fitting villain for the job.
01:57:28 PM Feb 11th 2012
edited by PDL
Frankly, we should probably edit ban the guy who changed to back to Discord. When I changed to back to zero, I received a nasty PM from him claiming that "We deemed it unworthy" and that I should stop messing up the page. He also called this discussion here a "Conspiracy" and acted like a smug SOB.
03:16:19 PM Feb 11th 2012
Try showing that nasty PM to Fast Eddie, and we'll see how it goes.
11:41:10 PM Feb 11th 2012
Damn it all... this kind of thing is not what Bronies need.
12:21:04 AM Feb 12th 2012
^ I feel sorry for Only Sane Men like you in fandoms with unpleasant reputations. They always end up either getting lumped in with the idiocy of the rest or driven mad by it. I know their pain, seeing as I was one of the few sane people in the infamously obnoxious Sonic fandom.

Alas, my comments about their aggression and "seeming drive to conquer the internet" to put it snarkily, comes from the personal experiences of both my brother and myself. In my case, the bronies have been very aggressive in trying to subvert the War Hammer 40000 fandom. Bro's experience stems from the havoc wrought upon the Garry's Mod and Team Fortress 2 community. (Besides idiot fans, one of the reasons RubberFruit quit was because of constant harrasment from bronies.)
07:27:35 PM Mar 3rd 2012
I agree with all of the above. Fried Dough Stick Eater's notion about Vile Villain, Saccharine Show makes perfect sense and is probably the best candidate. And as a fellow brony, I am very sorry that we had yet another rabid fan try to edit out a perfectly good chance because for the sake ponies.

However, the brony in me does hope that Discord does eventually make it back into the pantheon in some form.
11:55:44 PM Dec 3rd 2011
I'm a bit torn over having Lord Byron be the God of Byronic Heroes. I'd prefer it if we had a fictional character as the God, but I'm not sure whether there is a Byronic Hero that truly fits the bill well enough to be the God of Byronic Heroes.
11:58:28 AM Nov 6th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
Should we keep the Team Rocket trio on here? They have since become surprisingly competent. Maybe we should give their position to someone more inept. Maybe have the Misfits join their employer Eric Raymond.
12:30:07 PM Feb 6th 2012
The Misfits, The Universe's Most Comically Inept Villain Trio
  • Quasideities
  • Symbol:
  • Alignment:
  • Portfolio:
  • Domain: Greed, Fame
  • Followers: ACROSS (Excel, Hyatt, Elgala and Il Palazzo, Excel♥Saga),, The Predacons (Transformers: Robots In Disguise), the Skull Gang (Doronjo, Tonzra and Boyacky, Yatterman), Nana, Saki and Mio (Grandia)
  • Took the position from the Team Rocket Trio, who had become much more competent in recent times.
  • Currently under contract with GGG Heavy Industries, and are powered by the the Glow.

Needs a bit more work.
05:07:53 PM Oct 29th 2011
edited by Kishou
I wonder if it was ok I went ahead and added one too; Gokudo the God of Unjustified Selfishness/ Laser-Guided Karma. It was fun to write, to say the least.

EDIT: Though I'll probably need to think more of this through and decide if he should be there or not. *shrug*
02:37:08 PM Oct 10th 2011
08:35:02 AM Feb 4th 2012
08:06:07 PM Oct 8th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
John Bradshaw Layfield, God of Heels (John Layfield, Bradshaw, Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw, JBL)
  • Demigod
  • Symbol: His own initials.
  • Alignment: Neutral Evil.
  • Portfolio: Heels, love of beer, bullying, Corrupt Corporate Executive, Dirty Coward, Politically Incorrect Villain, Nice Hat, Sharp-Dressed Man, Smug Snake, being a wrestling GAWD!
  • Domains: Wrestling, Money, Racism, Egotism, Villainy.
  • Allies: The less scrupulous members of the House of Commerce.
  • Enemies: Miscreants (CM Punk, John Cena)
  • Was formerly God of Self-Made Men before Edge cashed in Money in the Bank. Reapplied to become God of Heels, telling about he knew the Essence of being a Heel. The gods agreed and brought him in.
  • Having lost his spot in the Hell In A Cell match, JBL intends to take on Bret Hart for the position of God of Wrestling. He's been working with Ted Di Biase to take the World Heavyweight Championship.
  • Has drawn heat from a number of Gods due to his racist or sexist comments. Some of the higher Gods have plans to bring in a few luchadores to help put him in his place.
  • Is naturally opposed by the God of Faces, not just on a Face vs. Heel level, but also due to JBL's racist comments towards the Dragon upon ascending.

Welp, that's a start. Add more if you want.
12:02:45 PM Sep 4th 2011
I'd like to nominate Yuki Judai from Yu-Gi-Oh! GX as God of Broken Aces or God of Heroes crossing the Despair Event Horizon.
08:34:52 AM Feb 4th 2012
Seconded,even though its been two months and gets a pass anyway
06:15:50 PM Aug 11th 2011
With the Noble Top Enforcer being around for anti-villan dragons, now there's the question of who should be the god of the trope? Should it be General Leo or Harpuia? Both are well known amongst their respective fandoms (Final Fantasy and Mega Man). Both are very good examples of the trope. Both are also very sympathetic Type IV anti-villains.
09:40:02 PM Aug 11th 2011
My bets on Harpuia but maybe because General Leo didn't show much in battles (more on diplomatic side). But I'm gonna need more votes since my opinion may come off biased.
11:26:12 PM Aug 11th 2011
Given what little we saw, it could be accurately concluded that Leo was pretty competent in battle, though he's probably more effective against hordes than in duels. Both characters are intelligent and competent leaders. I'd say it probably goes to whoever you feel more sorry for in their posistion, i.e, who's the more tragic character. For that reason, I'd say Harpuia.
07:18:22 PM Jul 5th 2011
I would like to reccomend Suzaku Kuturugi for God of either Broken Aces, Conflicting Loyalty, or he Who Fights Monsters, with mention to how he was originally planned for being the god of quisling, but certain factors (Leleouch) put him in a more respecitble spot.
01:33:43 AM Jul 6th 2011
Second or Third choice is good.
11:20:24 AM Oct 7th 2011
edited by Megafighter3
However, Suzaku is still sitting it out in Purgatory for the moment, so you may want to hold on moving him until he completes his task.
01:04:26 AM May 13th 2011
Can I suggest we find a new character to be god of Face-Heel Turn? Ryo/Zane in Yugioh only had his turn stick for Season 2, in Seasons 3, 4, and the manga, he's a good guy, or at least is not hostile or evil. A single season hardly seems enough to make him worthy for the position.
01:13:05 AM May 13th 2011
Probably this is where Arthas Menethil can come in place. He starts out Face, then he becomes Heel until his death. What do you think? With quotes like "I was a fool to trust the Light", blah blah blah...
01:19:12 AM May 13th 2011
Having not played Warcraft I'm unfamiliar with him, but he sounds good.
02:06:21 AM May 13th 2011
Anyone who played Warcraft, care to give the opinion???
03:46:23 PM Jun 28th 2011
Well seeing as how it's been two months and no one has objected, go with it.
04:09:08 PM May 12th 2011
Considering recent events, perhaps The Lich from Adventure Time should replace Rasputin as the God of Scary Villains?
11:59:13 PM Jun 22nd 2010
Idea! Sailor Moon: Goddess of Pre-battle Speachs or Magical Girls. (She IS The trope namer for In the Name of the Moon for a reason <.<) Seriously we Have Pluto as a godess but not the main charcter? For shame!
09:06:41 PM Apr 13th 2011
edited by evilsebs
From Pokemon Black and White we could use N as the god for Antivillainy since regardless of his Heel-Face Turn anyone that visited his room in team plasma's castle and checked his toys will know he qualifies.
04:45:04 PM Jun 28th 2011
Well Mr. Freeze is more iconic and is even in the page picture.
back to Pantheon/HeroesAndVillains

TV Tropes by TV Tropes Foundation, LLC is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org.
Privacy Policy