Nightmare Fuel Doctor Who Discussion

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07:50:40 AM Dec 13th 2013

So, I'm Thinking this artist work might find a home here. While looking at his Tim Burton inspired Doctor renditions all I could think of was The Doctor's folder.
02:07:29 PM Jun 29th 2012
It's sort of annoying that nearly every single episode of the New Series is on this list, most of which are not scary in the slightest. How is an anthropomorphic pig scary? Either someone gets scared way too easily, or they just want to shoehorn in as many episodes as possible.
06:05:52 AM Jul 16th 2014
Nightmare fuel isn't an objective trope, as far as I know. I mean, the Raxacoricofallapatorians or more commonly known as Slitheen are to me the least intimidating looking aliens ever with their ridiculous faces, probably owing to the campy and cheap looking animatronics, but I can see why they could be nightmare fuel for someone else, particularly with the description on their behavior.
04:24:55 PM Dec 1st 2011
Would anyone be too sorry to see the Moffat section gone? It's really cluttered, and just makes the page feel very unorganized.
12:37:27 AM Jan 11th 2012
I don't even know why Moffat has his own section, it really should just be merged with the new series section. Having a section devoted solely to Steven Moffat just feels like fanwank.
01:15:44 PM May 29th 2011
Removed this from "Forest of the Dead":

  • "And, okay. Look. That ending? It was supposed to be cheerful and happy, but it was fucking horrific. The cheery tone just made it worse."

It's not that I disagree, it's just not much detail as to what specifically creeped them out.
08:37:07 AM May 29th 2011
This page has a stupid amount of Thread Mode and Natter here, so I'll just put the examples moved from Accidental Nightmare Fuel here until it's sorted out.

  • From the new series: "Fear Her" is not a particularly scary episode until the climax, where it is revealed that the little girl's ability to turn her drawings into real life (and vice versa) is about to bring her abusive dead father back to life. The scene of the girl and her mother trapped in their house while her father yells "I'm coming to hurt you, Chloe!" while her closet (where she had secretly made a life-size drawing of him) shakes and glows bright red, is Nightmare Fuel even (maybe particularly) when seeing it as an adult. The concept that he could come back and hurt Chloe and her mother even after his death had put an end to the abuse is a really disturbing one.
  • The Krillitanes from "School Reunion" gave my 12-year-old sister nightmares for a month. It was interesting when she realized that their leader was actually Giles.
  • Also "Rise of the Cybermen". The conversion scene is perhaps one of the most horrifying things this troper has ever seen on a family show. The screams and agonised howls as we get a shot of the Cyber Conversion machinery from the victims POV. It's all whirring saw blades and vicious knives cutting away everything human. Now thing about that...the machines are stripping the flesh and bone of the victim removing the brain and putting it inside a metal suit. And the victim is CONSCIOUS and FEELS EVERY SECOND OF IT. No wonder they go insane when their emotions are restored. The trauma would drive even Chuck Norris mad. And somehow the creepiest part of the scene is still Mr Crane bobbing away to the "In the Jungle" as he calmly oversees the conversion process.
  • The Slitheen. [...] They wear the skin of humans like clothes.
  • The Waters of Mars special. If you drink bad water suddenly you'll turn into an alien-thing that drips water everywhere. And there's no place to hide from these guys.
    • Worse than that. If a SINGLE DROP touches your body, you're done.
  • One might wonder how the Ninth Doctor's The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances two-parter got skipped in this list, until you realize that it's probably being blocked out by everyone that saw it. "What's that clicking sound?" "The tape's run out."....
  • I don't know about you, but this troper was very disturbed by the Angels. Sure they've been around forever, but the ones from the new series with Matt Smith are pretty freaky.
  • The Time War. Oh god. So the two most powerful civilizations in the universe ever are going at it with the gloves off; bad enough. Some of the weapons are creepifying just by their names- the Dalek fleet that "flew into the jaws of the Nightmare Child" is one hell of a noodle incident to ponder. The use of time travel to constantly resurrect the warriors, only for them to die again and again, hundreds of times? But worst of all is the simple fact implicit in its name— because it's a time war, you can never really meaningfully say that it's over from an internal perspective. It's just sealed away, with no escape...
09:31:58 AM May 29th 2011
And this from the TV movie:

  • Possessed!Grace in the 1996 telemovie. Her eyes turn completely black and all the while sports an incredibly creepy grin.
11:37:23 AM May 29th 2011
Yeah, this page is a mess. I'm going to cut out some of the natter.
02:06:18 PM May 30th 2011
12:23:31 AM Aug 2nd 2010
The issue was raised concerning the "Time of Angels" two-parter about the angels (esp. the eye-angel) once the crack disappears. I thought about this, and decided that since the crack led the angel-ship to the planet in the first place, Amy never saw the image in the first place. At least, that thought helps me sleep at night.

Of course, if Amy remembers the Doctor and her adventures with him, does she remember the crack? And does she have a memory of an angel she never saw? — an image of something that she never met?
02:46:54 PM Jun 20th 2010
This page is really cluttered. Should it be divided, officially, into sections for each series (or Doctor, or whatever)? The way it is it's hard to find stuff and people keep adding things twice or more because they can't find that it was already on the page.
03:34:51 AM Aug 3rd 2010
Maybe some of them should be removed. At the moment it's just a list of every episode, every bad guy in the whole of the new series (this is ignoring the classic series section, haven't looked at that), but twisted to make each one sound a lot more terrifying than they actually are. The Weeping Angels I can understand, but the Slitheen? Come on.
09:54:15 PM Nov 15th 2010
Gone and done it for the classic series, but the new series is still all cluttered up.
06:11:51 PM Nov 18th 2010
Went and did something similar to the bones of the new series folder (and added Moffat folder for the really disorganised bits). Substructure is still as the users left it, though.
09:59:44 PM May 19th 2010
This is the Cut List "wait button" thread.

The page has been nominated for cutting because "A show aimed at kids cannot have High Octane Nightmare Fuel"

I say: Not true. The rule is that normal nightmare fuel is for things aimed at children/family audiences that were not intended to be frightening. In general, the frightening things in Doctor Who were totally intended to be. (The Angels didn't get that scary by accident, buddy.)
03:13:26 AM May 20th 2010
From what I understand, Doctor Who is sort of like Star Trek; not necessarily R-rated, but is it "aimed at kids"?
04:21:38 AM May 20th 2010
"Family audience" which is the sort of thing that would be considered under nightmare fuel. Children are a targetted part of the audience.
08:57:54 AM May 20th 2010
Doctor Who is not a kid's show.
09:17:32 AM May 20th 2010
Oh yes it is. You don't get that many Blue Peter tie ins if you're not aiming for the 9-12 demographic; there's a reason why the Tenth Doctor's Doctor was the Fifth Doctor who was the Fifth Doctor when the Tenth Doctor was ten years old.
05:30:03 PM May 20th 2010
The nominator is full of BS. The fact that it's a family rated show is immaterial. Any series can have nightmare fuel can't it?
09:14:39 PM May 20th 2010
How long has Blue Peter been on the air? Since 1958, according to its page. That means that 50-year-olds will get Blue Peter references.
05:31:29 PM May 22nd 2010
Tie ins, tie ins.
06:29:10 PM May 25th 2010
Some sort of troper - High Octane Nightmare Fuel contains references to things common in Dr. Who - and they're intentionally in Dr Who, so it's High Octane. We can add another one - being forced to look at the thing you know if you look away or blink, will kill you. Moffat was surprised it hadn't been done before. Also, first TV show to get a High Octane Nightmare Fuel page - the second was OZ, a gritty prison drama. And I'm 32, The Empty Child was Scary, as was Silence in The Library, The Time Of Angels - The only other thing scary like that was Ring (both versions) and they got psychologists in to make it scarier. I say keep it.
12:46:57 PM Jun 1st 2010
edited by Arakhor
Hell, the image at the bottom of the main HONF page scared me and I'm 30!

Edit: This is me (obviously). I forgot to log-in.
03:41:59 PM May 12th 2010
OK, it kind of loses the impact of being - specifically - High Octane nightmare fuel if you literally add every episode of a series. Does anyone else think that the "list every episode" parts of this page should be at the very least moved to the regular Nightmare Fuel page, if not deleted outright?

Unless there's dissent I'ma go ahead and do it soonish.
03:32:30 AM Aug 3rd 2010
edited by BritishHobo
Yeah, reading through this page it seems like the people writing it have just twisted EVERY single episode to make it sound scary, even the REALLY silly episodes like the Slitheen episodes, or the one on the space Titanic. I thought the idea of 'High Octane' Nightmare Fuel was that it's something in a show that's SO terrifying, so horrific, that it can't even be classed under normal Nightmare Fuel. But half of these entries don't even belong in there.

I don't mean to sound rude or antagonistic or anything, just seems that so many examples on this page are hardly scary at all, let alone Nightmare Fuel... let alone High Octane Nightmare Fuel.
03:07:16 PM Apr 26th 2010
I'd simply like to congratulate whoever put that image at the bottom of the page for literally making me jump in my seat. I'd already checked the top image wasn't a GIF, so it completely took me off guard. Bravo, fellow tropers.
04:02:33 AM May 9th 2010
Do you think we should bring up the whole; "Images of an Angel come to life" thing with the image captions and the page end text?
05:31:02 PM Jun 2nd 2010
edited by pagad
-takes a bow-

There was text at the bottom before I added the picture down there, so credit to whichever troper gave me the idea in the first place.
06:12:21 AM Apr 25th 2010
I really think this page needs an animated gif. So awesome.
07:38:46 PM Apr 25th 2010
I actually thought the exact same thing. Wouldn't it be great/pants wettingly terrifying if we could have a gif that gradually changes...especially cause people would probably have scrolled down and scrolled back up to see the Angel in a new pose.
05:52:48 AM Jun 22nd 2010
edited by Lozeko06
I think it would be a fantastic idea, but sadly the image uploader page asks to not upload animated images.

"This Can Not Be."

05:36:21 PM Sep 27th 2010
We at least can ad gift to the Image Links:High Octane Nightmare Fuel
05:54:00 AM Jul 16th 2014
Woah, calm down there Satan.
06:26:03 AM Aug 31st 2014
Maybe we could do something like on CreepyChangingPainting, where the image changes when you scroll down? Strictly speaking, it's not animated.
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