Manga Shaman King Discussion

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08:28:18 AM Feb 5th 2014
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Can someone explain to me why Jeanne is considered a Karma Houdini in the anime version? Yeah, she and Marco still live at the end, but she doesn't exactly get off easy. Jeanne was almost killed opening the Gate of Babylon and trying to trap everyone inside. She only got better due to Faust healing her. If it wasn't for him, Jeanne would probably be bed ridden for the rest of the remaining episodes. There is also the fact that her powerful guardian ghost, Shamash, got devoured by Hao's Spirit of Fire. And she nearly lost all of her followers barring Lyserg (he's was kicked out by that point).

You could consider karma catching up to her, because she loses nearly all of her followers, loses a lot of power, and was proven wrong about Yoh and the gang. So how exactly does this girl escape karma? For the record, this is coming from someone who is not a big fan of the Iron Maiden Jeanne/the X-Laws.
09:02:17 AM Feb 5th 2014
I am guessing that some people believe that *"insufficient comeuppance (in someone's opinion)" is enough to get something listed as Karma Houdini. It isn't, so feel free to remove it.
04:13:17 PM Nov 22nd 2013
Someone responded to "Blatant Lies" by saying "The message is more that no one who can see spirits is beyond redemption. All of the listed people, and the Big Bad, manage to be redeemed by their abilities to see spirits or their contact with Yoh."

Then who is beyond redemption? What does it even mean? If that's the message, the author really messed up, because that message doesn't make any sense. More to the point: I don't think that's the message.
04:33:00 PM Nov 22nd 2013
It basically means that if you don't have a pure heart or true, good intentions in your heart, then you can't be redeemed if you aren't a good person on the inside or outside, and anyone who can't see or use a spirit
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