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Slayermaster
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01:51:30 PM Jan 31st 2014
edited by 72.93.216.78
I feel like the types of Yuri section should be amended

Specifically having josei yuri being specified as "Yuri for lesbians" which seems one sided, when it seems fair (in my mind) that shoujo yuri would also be read by homosexual girls. Is there an implication that Japanese girls read yuri without being gay?

The difference in tone and style is (mostly) apparent, but it seems a stretch to have level of acknowledgement of homosexuality based upon how much it addresses LGBTQ and other real life issues. I mean, I deal with enough LGBTQ stuff in real life and it may be seen as insulting that not wanting to read a story involving that implicates you in being "less gay" than anyone else...

Valid point or am I missing something? As I didn't want to push an edit that may be unwarranted.
Kif
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08:36:51 PM Jul 4th 2013
Where did that image come from?
Telcontar
moderator
01:40:48 AM Jul 5th 2013
Sono Hanabira Ni Kuchizuke wo. (Please don't make a page for it — that was cut under the Content Policy.)
Kif
08:11:46 AM Jul 5th 2013
I didn't intend to, I was just curious where it came from. Thanks!
MithrandirOlorin
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01:52:19 AM Feb 21st 2013
No live action examples? Even defining this as a Japan only genre (Though I can think of a few Western works that would be Yuri if you adapted them to Japan)m the Yuri genre must have by now made some cross over into Japanese Live Action movies and TV shows?

Love My Life is a Schoolgirl Lesbians film from Japan http://www.amazon.com/Love-My-Life-Rei-Yoshii/dp/B001808CQA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=PWU83TPBRH2M&coliid=I2GAFN59R0N3YT Could it count as Yuri?
Koveras
02:39:11 AM Feb 21st 2013
edited by Koveras
The mods want to keep this entry Japanese media-only, but live-action Japanese TV shows/films about lesbian relationships are likely OK (but I don't know any). I would say that animesque/mangaesque non-Japanese works (e.g. Cross Heart) should be listed, too, but the mods have wiped such examples before.
MithrandirOlorin
08:27:46 AM Feb 21st 2013
The movie I mentioned above I intend to order and watch soon as I can. I'm still unsure exactly what else besides being about Lesbians is required for being Yuri.
Koveras
08:54:55 AM Feb 21st 2013
It must come from Japan and have a lesbian relationship at the core of the plot. Preferably, it should fall into one of the classic yuri setups outlined in the article intro. :D
MithrandirOlorin
10:15:42 AM Feb 22nd 2013
I've been looking but I can't really find anything but that one. It's weird, you'd think there would be more.
Koveras
11:35:16 AM Feb 22nd 2013
Yeah, probably a cultural thing. Drawn lesbians are OK, live-action ones are still too risky. ^^
MithrandirOlorin
11:13:18 AM Feb 26th 2013
I've watched Love my Life, and if it's Yuri it's of the Josie variety, which is generally the last type people think of.

It was a pretty neat movie though, happier ending then most Schoolgirl Lesbian live action films.
Koveras
11:26:16 AM Feb 26th 2013
Well, feel free to add it to the article, then.
Koveras
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11:29:06 PM Dec 10th 2012
Explain to me how exactly someone who came looking for "Yuri (genre)" might be interested in the first cosmonaut?

By the same logic, why do you omit mentioning Yuri Andropov, the head of USSR, Yuri Dolgoruki, the founder of Moscow, Yuri Lowenthal, the famous voice actor, and Yuri the Big Bad in the Command & Conquer series?
PulpoOscuro
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07:10:44 PM Jan 8th 2012
Don't know what to say about the whole Japanese thing, but what's up with the page quote now? It doesn't really make sense without the whole Yuri Fans are ecstatic thing...
GyraSolune
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10:45:10 PM Nov 12th 2011
...It's only an anime/manga genre?

So what about all those examples we had before? I can see how a lot of those were arguable examples, but plenty of them were completely straight (as terrible of a pun as it is). Girly certainly is centered around the main lesbian couple, and it's a webcomic. A thing I'm making is as well, and it's a web serial.

I simply don't see the justification for the change, but considering a moderator made it, I didn't simply revert it.
Osric
11:49:24 AM Dec 1st 2011
edited by Osric
To summarise briefly, without getting too involved in the rights and wrongs for reasons of Internet Backdraft:

It has been decided of late that this site has too many Japanese terms floating around, including for concepts which are not Japan-specific, and that this is creates an intolerable burden upon users who aren't fans of Japanese media, since they're unlikely to understand these terms at first glance. The "compromise" (inverted commas because some don't see it as such, despite it being described that way by the admins) put forward is this: all anime/manga terms are allowed to remain, but must either become redirects for tropes with English names (e.g. Pink Bishōjo Ghetto, now called Improbably Female Cast), fanspeak terms for separate trope pages (e.g. Kuudere, the trope now being Sugar and Ice Personality) or Japan-only tropes (e.g. this one, with non-Japan examples now going... well, okay, I'm not entirely sure where), with a few - still contested - exceptions where the term is so well-used and/or has no convenient English equivalent despite being a universal trope (e.g. Tsundere). Many of the Japan-only tropes have now also been given custom titles including English nouns ("genre" is a common one for tropes such as this) to clarify some of their meaning for users not familiar with them.

In short, then: yes, as things stand, this is a Japan-only trope. Whether it should remain so or not is less an issue for this specific trope and more an ongoing point of wider contention across the site.
Rynnec
11:54:21 PM Dec 6th 2011
But we had a perfectly good english title for this trope when it was named Girls Love.

And if the Yuri trope page is going to be limited to Japanese only examples, then the Yaoi page needs to be restricted as well.
Osric
01:06:47 AM Dec 8th 2011
edited by Osric
Girls Love to me rather defeats the point of having an English title, given that in this case it's really an Ingrish title, which is fairly non-intuitive to English-speakers who aren't familiar with the term already ("Does it mean that girls can love but boys can't? Is it a particularly feminine form of love? What? It's about lesbians? Seriously?"), who are probably more used to using the term "yuri" anyway. Indeed, the irony is that whilst Girls Love is comprised of English words and "yuri" is a Japanese word, the former is the term used in Japanese whilst the latter is the term used in English. So yeah. Clarification

All that said, I wouldn't be averse to this trope being renamed Girls Love, since if it's going to be restricted to Japanese examples then that is the native term, and thus the one I would consider more correct.

I definitely agree with regards to Yaoi; furthermore, the two really ought to be named the same way (that trope is currently names, perplexingly enough, Boys Love Genre, with Yaoi as a redirect). I'd rather them both not be strictly limited to Japanese examples, to be honest, but current site policy seems to be trending in the opposite direction. At any rate, I'd be happy with them just being consistent.
GyraSolune
05:55:12 PM Dec 8th 2011
nThere has to be a place for all non-Japanese examples. Which there are.

The thing is, yeah, Japanese is a bit too prevalent, but they're used so much so as to be common place. Yandere could easily be something like Crazy For Love, Seppuku is essentially Samurai Suicide, Pettanko...well, to be honest, IMO it's hardly ever a noteworthy trope that isn't covered by A-Cup Angst. But you get the point. They're used because they're so common to Japanese things so as to be more easily associated with that name. Yuri Genre is widely used because of how prevalent it is in Japanese works, but that doesn't mean it should only apply to those.

...Plus I've hardly seen the whole "Japanese names for Japanese works" thing on any other page.
MithrandirOlorin
05:46:43 AM May 31st 2012
Of this is Japan only there where are non Japanese Lesbian romances found? Every Lesbian Trope seems to be specific to something.
Koveras
07:43:58 AM May 31st 2012
MithrandirOlorin
10:44:47 AM Jul 8th 2012
As someone new here, what where those non Japanese examples that where removed?
Xshu
05:03:06 AM Sep 13th 2013
"Not a stuffy encyclopedic wiki" indeed. Apparently people looking for western lesbian romance need to sift through all the male/male works in Queer Romance, now? Yay. This change is preposterous; I see no reason why Japanese terms can't include clear examples of those things in western works if those tropes are still in western media. If the mods are going to be weirdly anal about this, I suggest we change Yuri Genre to Lesbian Romance, change Yaoi Genre to Gay Romance, and just get rid of the Queer Romance trope.
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