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I dunno if its possible to have the Crowning Moment link to the general YGO tab. Maybe it can be redirected? For now I'll move the crowning entries from the main YGO crowning page to the 5D's only tab to keep things neat.

Thanks, Starry.

I don't remember such a conversation, myself, but I'll check the archives.

Personally, I think Divine is a Complete Monster due to partially brainwashing Aki, killing Toby with experimentation, thus inadvertently driving Misty to death, planning to rule with an army of Psychic Duelists and planning to kill anyone else in his way to reclaim Aki for himself. I think there might some YMMV on it, but I think we can at least agree he's pretty horrible.

I don't remember it was ever confirmed that Divine brainwashed Aki... Or do you mean that one time when he released her true powers in episode 60?

However, the problem is that Divine's character is subject to a lot of Alternate Character Interpretation. Maybe he is a Complete Monster, or maybe he is a Well-Intentioned Extremist who wants to create a better world for psychic duelists.

You see, YMMV, a lot, and that's why we agreed back then that he is "a few steps short" of being a Complete Monster.

I think it was heavily implied with, along with Episode 60, that Divine had managed to play enough mind games with Aki that it constituted as at least a partial form of brainwashing (not to mention he had to have had that pput in at least sometime prior to the series). I don't see him as a Well-Intentioned Extremist, though that might be just because He directly created one Dark Signer (Carly) and indirectly created another (Misty). And, even if he might have been a Well-Intentioned Extremist to begin with being shown in the show, I think Episode 60 shows that he's at least pretty monstrous, as even before the show started, he was willing to test/torture a young boy until he died.

I agree that there's quite a bit of YMMV or not, and I'll edit the page real quick to reflect that difference until we come to a conclusion.

I think this just is the conclusion. People have different views on characters, that's that the YMMV trope is there for.

Imho, this is an acceptable compromise, let's just keep it that way.

A retcon does not require to contradict the flashbacks. It only requires the fact that it wasn't there or mentioned before and suddenly is. Please try to be objective about this.

So that would mean characters like Martha and Leo (Zola's son, not Rua's dub name) are consider retcons as well?

If anything, Crow, Kiryu and Team Satisfaction are Revisions since Team Satisfaction's split explains why were Yusei and Jack so distant according to the season one flashbacks.

You know what I mean. Please stop distracting from the topic.

If it was, why is it nowhere mentioned that Jack and Yusei growing apart has anything to do with Team Satisfaction, while it would have been a perfect reason? Obviously because it isn't the reason.

I don't see why this is played up so much anyway. Team Satisfaction is a Retcon. That is a fact, not an insult or anything negative.

How am I distracting from the topic?

It is heavily implied that Yusei and Jack grew apart because they had a bad falling out when Team Satisfaction. Hell, its shown that Jack was off in his Kingly angst throne while appearing distant from Yusei in at least one Team Satisfaction flashback.

It is not a fact, it is your opinion. A retcon as it states on its page is when a past event is inserted to serve a plot point or plot that was not intended. Not only was Yusei and Jack's falling out was due to Team Satisfaction's breakup, but the Dark Signer arc was planned at the beginning.

I don't know what gives you this idea, since it is not at one single point implied that Yusei and Jack growing apart has a thing to do with anything about Team Satisfaction. It is however heavily implied that they grew apart because Jack couldn't cope with living the life in satelite (hence the emo-throne), while Yusei was ok with his friends around.

But for heaven's sake, since it seems there is no point in discussing this with you, have it your way.

First off, you're diverging from the topic and you're the one who told me I was going off topic. You didn't even bother to answer my first question.

I would be fine with sticking it under Revision honestly, but you originally had little reasoning when you originally listed the items under Retcon. Thus why I wanted to ask and defend my points

I told you my points. But you didn't want to accept them. You said, to quote you: "A retcon as it states on its page is when a past event is inserted to serve a plot point or plot that was not intended." And that's what Crow, Kiryu and Team Satisfaction are, since there is nothing that hints at their mere existence in the first arc, and when they are introduced have roles very important to the plot of the second arc.

But as I already said, you can have it your way if it's so important to you, I mean it. I don't care if the 5d's page has one trope more or less.

You don't have to throw a fit when you lose an argument, you know.

°sigh° Why won't you see that I'm honestly not out to insult or pick up a fight with anybody?

I was hoping you'd see my point, you don't, that's ok.

Could we please have only one version of names to go by in this article? Seeing dub and original Japanese names scattered all over the place looks messy. So I would prefer to go by the original Japanese names only (Since the majority of the people who edit this article are more familiar with the Japanese canon and that 4kids has yet to dub the third arc.

I'll make an edit later today in order to address this.

I've got one started now :) Feel free to edit more in.

Added one of my own, I'll fix the article so that the main page can clean itself up.

Because one member of the group singing one of the songs is not the entire group.