Well, but on the other hand the next time someone says that WWII is quite buried and covered with grass, you'll have a good laugh.

Well, take a rag and some Windex and help clean it up.

People have gotta stop calling everything the Axis do "evil" in these lists. It's really childish.

No, I think we're gonna roll with calling the Axis evil, thanks.

Well, duh. The thing is, who was shiny and all in white? What with Dresden and all? And speaking of deportations, his friends Allies gave Uncle Joe his runaways — which Finland managed to avoid after losing a war to him, probably the only participant who escaped from this mess with dignity.

As one Troll Fic called it, "The First Socialistic War", that's why it was this dirty. With three strains of The Virus in one jar: Communism, National Socialism and New Deal. Churchill wasn't, but still managed to make a clown of himself.

Yes, you wouldn't believe how many innocent people the United States killed trying to zealously spread New Deal Socialism. The other countries could barely contain them at the beginning of the war.[/sarcasm]

A slow suffocation is more humane than an execution by a guillotine, yes. Plus, the Great Depression and dust don't count — the same way as Trotskists' shenanigans don't count against Uncle Joe.

No, that's stupid.

The United States wasn't spreading Socialism (And they had no reason to), nor was Socialism the main cause of the violence. Japan's atrocities, for example, came from extreme Nationalism, Imperialism, xenophobia, and militarization, not to mention a need for industry and modernization. The majority of Americans didn't even want to enter the fucking war until Pearl Harbor; sure, some did, but it took an actual attack to get us there.

And I'm sure the private contractors really hated the extra business that the war gave them.

You know what? I fucking hate Communism with a passion, but your comment is still stupid. Learn about history before bashing politics with history.

Leaving aside ismophrenia, Socialism isn't defined by hammer and sickle, but by manipulation of politics and economics to reach social goals (A.Zinoviev's example was "hidden underemployment instead of visible unemployment" trick in late USSR).

Whatever "majority" wants, the question is, how much their wishes are connected to the results? Most people in USSR probably didn't want even Winter War—let alone full-contact with Germany—either, so what? Uncle Joe didn't exactly ask what he can do for people. Speaking of which, "Suddenly! Pearl Harbor!" tale perfectly mirrors "Suddenly! Brest!" story, even if versions without retcons wouldn't be so similar.

I have to agree, learning before preaching is a good idea.

Leaving aside ismophrenia,

I have no idea what typo you made, but ismophrenia isn't a real word at the moment, unless Google managed to fuck up completely. Mind telling me what you actually meant to say?

Socialism isn't defined by hammer and sickle, but by manipulation of politics and economics to reach social goals (A.Zinoviev's example was "hidden underemployment instead of visible unemployment" trick in late USSR).

I never said it was.

Otherwise, filler.

Whatever "majority" wants, the question is, how much their wishes are connected to the results?

Depends on the government.

In a government with regular elections, there certainly is quite a connection. In a dictatorship, there is very little. Either way, there can never be a 100% connection, unless it's a full Democracy (Which would suck).

Most people in USSR probably didn't want even Winter War—let alone full-contact with Germany—either, so what?

The USSR invaded parts of Europe. They went to war long before Hitler threw tanks at them.

The United States didn't want to go to war, both in the government and in the general populace, and the government needs to keep popular with the people (Since approval=votes). Isolationism was the prominent idea because we were still recovering from a depression. And no, FDR wanting to go to war did not mean that the entire government wanted to.

Uncle Joe didn't exactly ask what he can do for people. Speaking of which, "Suddenly! Pearl Harbor!" tale perfectly mirrors "Suddenly! Brest!" story, even if versions without retcons wouldn't be so similar.

The Japanese had two options, since they needed resources. They chose the poorer one.

And yes, I know about the embargo. No, it's not shocking news for anyone, unless you count elementary students.

You are still not explaining your point. The United States wasn't TRYING to spread Socialism to other governments. And what about the other sides? I hardly think you can talk about World War 2 without mentioning Italy, France, Japan, or Britain.

Finally, on another note: Are you really going to say that socialism made the war dirty? Not extreme racism, nationalism, total war, etc? Are you going to ignore the Rape of Nanking or similar events?

Don't use real life atrocities as tools to demonize some target.

T Beholder:

I asume, ismophrenia is a combination of ism (an idea) and phrenia (a mental disorder.) Please do not make up new words just to make yourself sound smart. It never works.

Socialism is defined by some appearance of "production for use." The word your thinking of is "beauracracy."

Nationalism, suppression of belief, and xenophobia were the main political ideologies that ran the war.

Nationalism made people kill, maim, and rape, "for their country" in a blind patriotic fervour. It didn't matter that they were violating the Hague conventions and the Geneva protocol, they were doing it "for their country."

Xenophobia allowed people to believe they were fighting other human beings, they were all fighting subhuman monsters. Look at artwork in propoganda posters. See how the Japanese were drawn by Americans. See how the Chinese were drawn by Japanese. And of course, they each viewed each other as barbaric in rule.

Suppression of belief meant anyone who was opposed to this was "the enemy." They were shunned- if they were lucky. Many were threatened, arrested or even "eliminated."

There were other individual factors, as Scardoll stated, but the factors above are required for any war to exist. They must believe in their country, they must fear or hate the enemy, and they must be unchallangable.