Discussion Main / WordOfGay

As written, Word of Gay implicitly covers trans and non-binary characters who aren't directly identified as such in-story.

Do we want to call that out more directly in the intro?

I don’t think we should count actors saying that their played their characters gay to be word of gay as some actors and actresses have done that in movies and live action films. I don’t think these statements are word of gay because it was the actors own decision on how they decided to portray their own characters and not how the creator decided to portray them and have the actors do so too. I know for a fact that many actors and actresses make a lot of improvised stuff for their characters based on their own decisions.

Pulled:

• James Gunn said he originally wrote the 2002 Scooby-Doo movie as R-rated with Velma being a lesbian and her kissing Daphne but Executive Meddling shut that down.

The reason is because this is merely What Could Have Been, not this trope. There is a difference between confirming a character is ACTUALLY gay or lesbian, and a movie director wanting to add a lesbian kiss scene but being told not to (namely, the difference is that it didn't make it into the final version,so there's nothing to "confirm" here.

Furthermore, this was already brought up in the "Is this an example?" forum thread, so it's not even the first time it was added here, Let it there not be a third, please.

Rinny: When was it stated that the Narrator from Fight Club is gay?

Or for that matter, Miles Edgeworth. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Miles being gay is fanon.

Seriously, alot of these are without sources.

Jumpingzombie: In Fight Club there are some gay undertones, but the creators never out and out said the narrator or Tyler were gay. The Ho Yay in the book and movie were there to make the viewer more uncomfortable with the already weird story.

Big T: Neither the Narrator or Tyler can be gay. Both flat out want to have sex with a certain woman. And they're the same person, so you can't argue that Tyler was gay and only had sex with that one girl to piss off the Narrator.

Since no one responded to my question on the Nanoha page I'll ask here as well, how the heck does the article listed qualify as "Word of Gay"? Tsuzuki did NOT say that Fate was Vivio's "father", only that she and Vivio keep in touch to the same level as a child would with a father who works far from home. And even if you could argue that "oh, that totally means she's her 'father'", that still only determines the relationship between Vivio and Fate, not Nanoha and Fate. Fate didn't "adopt" Vivio, she just declared herself to be her "godmother" and said that this made her effectively a parent as well.

Please understand that, just like I said when I tried to remove this item, I am not trying to suggest that they aren't in such a relationship. I'd say that's pretty much a given really. But just because something's so obvious it goes without saying doesn't mean that a statement that seems like it might imply this qualifies as "Word of God". If there are other articles or quotes, that'd be better than this article. I just can't help but feel like using this article is a serious stretch of the trope.

I would like if a source for this could be found, like a quote from Rodney Greenblat:

Lammy was later confirmed to be gay, and in a relationship with Katy.

Thanks a lot

This is quickly becoming just a list of times creators have had to clarify a character's sexuality or the nature of a particular relationship, which is great and useful in its own right. But I thought Word of Gay was specifically for works where that wasn't in the original series at all or it was subtext/unclear, like Harry Potter or The Legend Of Korra, and therefore the creator statement was what "canonized" it. There are a lot of shows here, like Revolutionary Girl Utena, where the work itself makes it pretty darn clear, and the creator statement was just reinforcing it. Should we make a distinction there?

Again, there are fandom holdouts who deny even the second group of works, so having a list to use to say "you're wrong because Word of God" is still useful. But I feel like this trope could use some clarifying, and maybe re-organizing examples could help. (Then again, where each works falls on that spectrum might be its own Internet Backdraft this page doesn't need.)

In Warcraft 3, one of the "easter egg" lines for the Far Seer Orc hero is.... "Touch your tongue to mine".

The back cover of the Blackadder: The Whole Damn Dynasty script book off-handedly refers to Baldrick as Edmund's catamite. I don't know who wrote the blurb, or if they had any inside knowledge though. So it probably doesn't count, right?

It says in a few places on this site that Fang and Vanille of Final Fantasy XIII have been confirmed lovers by Square-Enix, but it doesn't say where they confirmed this, and I can't find anything about it on Google.

Officer Caroline Paski in Signs. Both M. Night Shyamalan and Cherry Jones have called that character a lesbian.

Mrs. Clack (another Jones role) in Shyamalan's The Village, though she counts more as "ambiguously gay" since she was flirting with Ivy Walker in one scene. Shyamalan, Jones and Bryce Dallas Howard were all "in on" that story.

A theory: Dumbledore is a homoromantic asexual. He does seem to be a Celibate Hero.

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• "Me and @Simon Pegg once wrote some Nicholas Angel and Danny Butterman slash fiction. It was called HOT FUZZ." - Edgar Wright, director of Hot Fuzz.
  • That was most likely a joke, it shouldn't be taken as Word of Gay.

Removed obvious joke, Natter."

Are we really sure we can just write this off as a joke? I mean... Yes, they were having fun, writing snippets of slash fic on twitter - but then, they were writing snippets of slash fic on twitter. There is also the fact that Nicholas originally had a girlfriend, who was cut from the script and many of whose lines and subplots went to Danny in the final draft.

On a similar subject, would anyone object if I added the following bit to the page?

"...it could be convincingly argued that Nicholas Angel and Danny Butterman are partly the product of a fictional union between Starsky and Hutch; fictional because men can't have babies and they wouldn't have had sex anyway. Although Danny and Nicholas might." - Nerd Do Well, Simon Pegg's autobiography.

"Tom and Carl, the two local Advisory Senior wizards from Young Wizards. They share a house but other than that could be mistaken for Heterosexual Life Partners. This is probably due to them being expies of the two major characters from her significantly less popular Door In To... series, in which the characters were explicitly lovers."

This really isn't Word Of Gay, imo, since the author has never explicitly stated it.

While it's implied, somewhat, in the books that the characters are gay... this entire section, including the characters being taken from the authors' other series... seems more like someone's pet theory than actual fact.

Page picture is made of win. Any idea where it comes from?

Unfortunately, his successor Ian Flynn has refused to follow up on this, beating Rotor down into the Extra spot again, refusing to comment on the Word either way (neither confirming nor denying it), and even going so far as to torture him and (possibly) killing his boyfriend during a revisit of the "X Years Later" storyline.

^^I removed the bolded line from the entry on Rotor Walrus. It's not exactly fair to accuse Flynn of Bury Your Gays when the story in question was published three years before Ken Penders revealed that he intended Rotor to be gay.

I'm feeling quite like cutting the following would be a public service

• This Troper has also heard Bioware state that they didn't do M/M options because they didn't have any gay male writers on the team and didn't think they could portray the relationship realistically. The other romance options in the game make this smell even more like bullshit than it already does; so there actually is a woman at Bioware involved in a sexual relationship with a blue monogendered alien? There's a man whose girlfriend has to always wear a purple hazmat suit? Most likely, this is just Bioware's way of either trying to make "Girl On Girl Is Hot, Guy on Guy is Gross" sound less bigoted, or trying to tell people ''we had a deadline, sorry" without blaming Electronic Arts.
• Which also seems fishy, since they've said time and time again that there is no canon Shepard - that every player character is the protagonist of their own story. Mind you, since the merchandising is pretty much to the tune of "straight white male saves the day!", that might just have been another dodge to placate anyone who might take issue with this.

Mostly because it's a rant that lacks substance. Beyond the fact that Bioware's unlikely to get flack for unrealistically portraying romances between humans and creatures that don't exist, while they would likely get a lot of flack for portraying an unrealistic gay relationship. Not to mention that they've said in interviews that they view Sheperd as being a character the player directs, not a cipher for the player.

So, uh, can we safely remove the gigantic block of natter under the His Dark Materials entry?