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PeterFA
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02:00:59 PM Jun 22nd 2014
I don't think this trope is honestly represented. Evil villains stem from truly evil people. Evil people always overplay their hands. They engineer their own destruction. Evil people like to destroy good, and have a very strong self delusion that they are essentially good. They will not subject themselves to introspection or criticism because that insults their, "pure goodness." Evil people also turn their hands sooner or later. If you start dating someone, you'll soon see who they really are after a little while. They no longer feel they should have to keep on their mask, and have done you your favor (by letting you please them), so they start off with their usual list of silly demands. Other related tropes are actually realistic. Evil people do have a problem with just shooting someone because they want to show off first. They want to have it their way, and let the world know their frustrations that they just can't be worshiped for their, "pure goodness." In the end, evil really is just stupid. It's based on self-deception and protected by a refusal to examine things. It's like they've made a pact with the devil, that if they keep on committing evil, they may have anything they want, and will never suffer guilt, embarrassment, shame, or anything of that sort again. It was told to me that it's like they need to commit evil in order to survive. If you threaten this, they consider you a murderer, after them, wishing to kill them because you're going to take their "oxygen" away (or maybe something of the like). In the end though, this trope seems silly and immature that we present evil people in such a stupid light, because hey, we like to laugh at their stupidity, but the truth is, they do engineer their own vulnerabilities by doing stupid non-nonsensical things. On top of it, they won't review their own stupid decisions unless they do it their way, so they won't see that they're not in control of the whole bloody universe. After all, they look down at others and see themselves superior that they can see things they way they do (they way they think things really are, which is that they're they only justification for the universe, that it's really all about him or her, he or she is actually God himself). I suspect that this trope has evolved from deeper stories of yester-centuries as people began to carefully illustrate evil, and realized the critical problems with evil, in how it deals with the truth, and in how it relates to other people. Take the J. R. R. Tolkien novels where Sauron was going to smash the pipsqueaks easily, but failed embarrassingly because he engineered his own destruction. He thought he had it all under control and just needed to fix the last few loopholes of his progress and engineered the opportunities for Frodo and Sam. He was arrogant and refused to deal with the problems he was creating for himself. Even the ring's constant pressure on Sam worked against him, because that fueled the relationship development between Frodo and Sam, which actually made their partnership stronger, and that pushed them all the way to the mountain, despite all the massive obstacles in the way. Didn't Sauron think of how he was actually making Frodo and Sam into better people through constantly pressuring them through their own evils? No, of course not, because he doesn't understand that. He doesn't believe in it's existence and certainly doesn't want to because then he'd see he's not in control, that he really is a total loser who got it all wrong and was going to be destroyed through his own scheming. So, this trope listing isn't fairly representing the issue because it fails to understand the psychology of the trope in how it's astonishingly accurate.
PeterFA
02:01:49 PM Jun 22nd 2014
Oh! It didn't preserve my paragraphs. Now it's just a huge putrid puke of word spew.
SomeSortOfTroper
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02:35:20 AM Feb 25th 2011
re:cut

Have you looked at the number of inbounds? This was the main pages for years, it's going to have tons of inbounds and generally speaking "ptitle redirect" isn't going to have much weight for a cut list reason because anything other than that type of case isn't going to be made anymore.
TheOneWhoTropes
04:34:14 AM Feb 25th 2011
edited by TheOneWhoTropes
I must have put the wrong one on. I swore it said 0 since last year. I'll check again.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/ptitlekfou14q2

0 wicks, 0 inbounds.
Jeysie
08:06:58 PM Jul 9th 2011
edited by Jeysie
It could be marked up using the [ = ~ ~ = ] markup; I found out recently that for some reason any wick created using that markup doesn't show up in the Related To and mistakenly makes it look like a ptitle isn't being used when it actually is.

See, check out this search result: http://bit.ly/pBwPxZ to show this redirect is actually being linked to that way in that one top result.

And when you go to that page: Sonic the Hedgehog: The Movie sure enough, this redirect is now showing a red link even though the Related To results for this redirect mistakenly claimed it was not being used at all.

(And it's not due to a redirect being cut either, as I noticed (and fixed by changing to the non-ptitle redirects) the same problem with Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog which it turned out had a TON of wicks using that markup that previously hadn't been showing up on the Related To list for that main ptitle URL even though they existed. Compare [1] the 199 count for the second redirect to the current [2] 317 count, which was all me just switching existing ptitle links, not adding new examples. Despite the fact that you can see the main list there was almost empty in the first example.)
PTTG2
12:32:08 PM Mar 3rd 2012
Wait, is Harley naked in that picture or what?
iamnowan
03:11:43 PM Jul 9th 2012
No she's wearing lingerie. I the scene she's trying to have a romantic evening with the Joker, but he's too caught up in devising elaborate plans (but non-lethal) for his next meting with Batman
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