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LederHozen
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08:42:54 AM Aug 12th 2013
This page is proof that TV Tropes has succumbed to their white-guilt and male-guilt. It's vitriolic and pathetic. I really hate how biased this site has become in the name of "Political correctness", it's almost bordering on Political Correctness Gone Mad.
Larkmarn
08:47:01 AM Aug 12th 2013
How is it any of those things? This trope is an observable phenomenon. Claiming it doesn't exist is just... kinda silly. I don't get how that's vitriolic to claim "marketing people find white male leads to be the most marketable overall" to even be overly politically correct.
MrShakar
02:34:24 PM Oct 7th 2013
Leder Hozen is prefectly right. "Cisgender" gave me a chuckle. Stay classy, tumblrTropes.
Lavode
08:35:49 AM Jul 20th 2014
It wouldn't be especially classy to not acknowledge that transgendered people exist, so I for one hope the site will "stay classy".
LogoP
01:19:21 PM Jul 20th 2014
Eh, this discussion ended one year ago. Let it die.

And, IMO, Mr Shakar is Right for the Wrong Reasons. Transgender people should obviously be acknowledged but "cisgender" is a nonsense term. You can always say non-transgender.
Foxtrot53
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05:05:56 PM May 14th 2013
edited by 184.18.50.118
Larkmarn
07:34:39 PM May 14th 2013
... what?
magpieman
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08:39:47 PM Feb 23rd 2013
Shouldn't this trope be called "STRAIGHT White Male Lead"? After all, aside a few rare cases, the big big big majority of white male leads (in video games, movies, tv shows, whatever) are heterosexual.
Telcontar
moderator
01:26:16 AM Feb 24th 2013
Perhaps. However, White Male Lead gets across that it has to be generic without being long, and the description mentions other traits like being straight.
Bagpiper
05:57:15 PM Sep 12th 2013
It might be a good idea to rename it. On the other hand, a big majority of white males in REALITY are heterosexual, so it doesn't tie into the 'disproportionate representation' aspect of the trope.
Arivne
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01:37:34 AM Feb 23rd 2013
edited by Arivne
The following are Zero Context Examples. If you know something about them please add enough information to show that they're examples of this trope and return them to the main page.

Live-Action TV
moshimoshi44
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05:10:02 AM Feb 7th 2013
When you think about it this trope is incredibly fairly broad in Western media. I mean a lot of or even most shows and movies have white male leads, action movies (unless he's Will Smith), Spy films, sci-fi movies, basically all superhero movies (minus Catwoman, Supergirl & Elektra)...put traditionally "blokey" movie under White Male Lead and you basically have examples. Maybe we should start listing aversions.
Mercy
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04:52:05 PM Jul 1st 2012
I'm a bit creeped out by the way several entries on this trope page have been made by people who apparently believe that white people who are Jewish are not white. The idea that Jewish people are somehow a separate race has a really ugly history, and should TVT be endorsing this?
Mechayoshi
04:56:30 PM Jul 1st 2012
I looked and I see what you mean. I guess Jewish is considered minority even if they're white. Also, some the the examples are lame (like the Incredibles entry). Too many shows have this to list every show that's ever had it.
joeyjojo
02:49:24 AM Dec 22nd 2012
I'm not sure outsourced is the best example for this, it's white male lead acts as the (western) audience surrogate rather then just being... White.
Bagpiper
06:00:20 PM Sep 12th 2013
edited by 71.197.181.166
Yeah, Outsourced (while a terrible show) was a classic 'fish out of water' scenario, dealing with a Westerner trying to navigate a distinctly non-Western society, while poking fun at bizarre aspects of both cultures.

Basically, the whole story was ABOUT him being a white Westerner, it's not purely incidental like most WM Ls seem to be.
ry4n
10:00:21 AM Jan 12th 2014
White audience surrogate I think it a big reason for the trope not mentioned in the article. It goes for The Last Samurai too. Because of Tom Cruises character, the Last Samurai can explain things that would be obvious to the Japanese. Katsumoto's retainers don't question him or his ideas, but when he talks to Algren, he can not only be questioned, but answer in English.
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