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11:21:09 PM Jun 2nd 2015
Does anybody know what the exact opposite of a wham line is?
11:38:15 PM Jun 2nd 2015
Not sure it is even a thing.
08:31:14 PM Sep 22nd 2014
All of the examples are just the line itself, with no context. None of them make any sense.

Is this deliberate?
11:43:08 PM Sep 22nd 2014
It comes off to me as if this page got a bad example writing style that got perpetuated through imitation. I would recommend it for the trope repair shop.
05:50:38 PM Apr 12th 2014
Should spoilers remain on the example pages? Some, like the Animated Film folder, have their spoilers removed. But others, such as the Video Games folder, still retain their spoilers.
12:24:50 PM Sep 15th 2013
What happened to Wham Line for Professional Wrestling?
09:55:10 PM Sep 7th 2013
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Is this considered a Wham Line? (The line in question is from the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.) ""Working good. Erase Connors. Connors no more. Lizard forever!" The problem is though, we have Spidey questioning why the machine isn't working before this line happens, so I don't know if that invalidates it or not.
06:33:47 AM Aug 20th 2013
"If there is Foreshadowing, the line is the result of events or conversations that are clearly shown on screen, or it's a Foregone Conclusion, then it is not a Wham Line. The line itself has to be completely unexpected."

If we want to eliminate every line that's foreshadowed, about half of the examples will have to go.
05:46:30 AM Jul 2nd 2013
Oh geez, I just realized, Wham Line and Punch Line are sibling tropes. A Punchline is just a Wham Line in a comedy routine.
09:22:31 AM Dec 16th 2012
Seriously? No Real Life Examples, Please! for this? What the hell could the reason possibly be?
03:58:56 AM Mar 11th 2013
edited by Protar
The reason given on the No Real Life Examples Please page is simply that "real life isn't scripted. Which is a stupid reason if you asked me, because there can still be shocking lines and events without scripting.
10:36:24 AM Mar 23rd 2013
I agree, we really need to bring back the real life section. One of my favorite things about this site is reading how the various tropes can be found throughout history.
02:11:08 PM Dec 28th 2016
edited by NNinja
Uhhh... how exacly can this trope aply to Real Life? I mean the Wham Line is supposed to shock the audience and Real Life doesn't have it unless you cound God (and what God would allow himself to be shocked anyway?) or we're watched by the aliens or something. The second case would fail Examples Are Not Arguable anyways. If it only shocks other characters, rather than the audience it's Dropping the Bombshell
07:11:59 PM Aug 10th 2011
Quick question: would something count as a Wham Line if the surprise has to do with who is saying the line, rather than the line itself? And if not, what is the trope for that?
04:34:30 AM Mar 13th 2017
05:17:13 AM May 6th 2011
edited by Camacan
Dropping the quote to discussion — it does not seem to encapsulate the trope, just "kinda-sorta related".
Ground control to Major Tom.
Your circuit's dead. There's something wrong.
David Bowie, "Space Oddity"

04:13:23 PM Jan 13th 2011
Maybe this has been answered before, but I haven't found an answer: Why exactly does "you know there's no such thing as stars?" from Doctor Who's "The Big Bang" not count as a Wham Line? Yes, we already know there are no stars from the shot of the sky outside Amelia's window, but the fact that no one believes in them and that they never existed is, I would argue, a Wham Line moment.
06:54:21 PM Jan 13th 2011
edited by ShayGuy
Firstly, the viewer is still piecing together the results of "The Pandorica Opens," in which the TARDIS's explosion caused every star to have no longer existed. The absence of stars fits in with that, especially since we already saw the scene of Amelia praying (sans Doctor this time), demonstrating, "Yes, Earth exists in this episode, but it's an altered timeline." This was the second thing we knew about the micro-universe of "The Big Bang," the first being "no stars."

Second, and more important, is the dialogue leading up to the line in question:

Christine: (in the tone of an honest question, not a prompt) "It's a lovely painting, Amelia, but what are all these?"
Amelia: "Stars."
Sharon: (huffing in an oh-not-this-nonsense-again manner) "Amelia..."
Christine: "Tell you what, shall we go outside?" (they do) "What do you see, Amelia?"
Amelia: "The moon."
Christine: "And what else?"
Amelia: "Just the dark."
Christine: "But no stars. If there were stars up there, we'd be able to see them, wouldn't we? ...Amelia, look at me. You know this is all just a story, don't you? You know there's no such thing as stars."

There's nothing special about those last two sentences except in that they serve as a memorable capstone to the rest. The rest of the scene — two adults not recognizing stars in a painting, an adult expressing exasperation at a child's mention of stars, and the rational adult demonstrating their absence — establishes all the relevant details: On this Earth, as you might expect from the end of the previous episode, "stars" are regarded as no more than something a kid made up, like (appropriately enough) an imaginary friend. (The mention of "star cults" a minute later notwithstanding.)

The end of that exchange doesn't remotely fit the definition. It's not a sucker punch at all. It's nothing like the Haruhi Suzumiya, Code Geass, or Narbonic examples. It's the same sort of thing as "I am Godzilla" (see above). Where's the case for it being a Wham Line?
08:50:12 PM Dec 11th 2010
Here's an example of a powerful, memorable line that accompanies a major revelation (namely, that the one who created The Plague for the Friend was Kiriko), but is not one of these. It's from 20th Century Boys volume 11: "I am Godzilla. I trampled 150,000 people to death." The entire chapter builds up to it, and the protagonist (along with most of the audience) realizes it several pages earlier — she'd been looking for pieces of the puzzle, and realized then what picture was forming. The next few pages are her desperately trying to find evidence that it isn't true; the aforementioned line is just confirmation that it is.

This concludes my rambling for the evening.
02:18:18 AM Nov 28th 2010
edited by piearty
I don't think the Toy Story 3 line counts as a wham line, I mean, I thought that Lotso said it after it was revealed he was a bad guy and it was just him gloating, but I don't remember, someone correct me if I'm wrong, if not then cut it. I have a crap memory.
05:43:06 AM May 19th 2010 there supposed to be a Western Animation folder? If not, why not, and if so, where'd it go? O_o
07:58:41 PM May 1st 2010
I know it's spoileriffic, but what do the Wheel of Time pot holes mean?
08:58:47 PM Jul 20th 2010
I'll try to explain this. Short version: the Aes Sedai are magically bound to "speak no word that is not true". The only exception is the Black Ajah, who have been freed from that oath in order to maintain secrecy. While I don't remember the context of that line, from the pot holes it would seem that the speaker is revealing that she is actually Black Ajah, and has very likely been lying her face off during the entire discussion.
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