Main Wham Episode Discussion

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09:53:32 PM Dec 4th 2012
Why is this page NRLEP? The concept is not exactly controversial, nor were the examples given before (Dissolution of the Soviet Union? Does anyone believe that that was not a huge WHAM episode in modern history?).

Further, the reason given on the NRLEP page - Wham Episode: Real Life isn't scripted - is nothing more than opinion. An opinion that at least 1.5 billion Sunni Muslims, in addition to anyone who holds the philosophical standpoints of compatabilism or hard determinism on free will, disagree with.
08:43:38 AM Aug 31st 2012
Can I add the infamous "Mr. Hooper" episode of Sesame Street? If that doesn't qualify, then nothing does.
05:37:34 PM Jul 21st 2012
Preforming massive cleanup. Putting all the cut pages back on the subpages.
07:26:35 AM Mar 16th 2010
Can someone ban this Boris Pelkowski guy, please?

How on earth does removing spoilers make this site better? Why do people insist that browsing it should be as much of a fucking hazard as possible?
01:28:37 AM Apr 3rd 2010
I completely agree. I checked this page only because I previously knew it as spoiler-safe (I wanted to know the name of a certain wham episode but not the contents) only to find they're now unmarked and it ruined the whole plot. Bullshit. Please re-add spoiler tags.
03:19:44 AM Apr 13th 2010
What the fuck happenned to the spoiler tags!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:42:40 PM May 21st 2010
YEAH!! Seriously, who's the genius responsible for this?
12:49:39 AM Jul 2nd 2010
edited by X-File
On the whole spoiler issue. Yeah, this is bollocks. Yet some of this should fall under It Was His Sled. I mean, who doesn't know by now that you-know-who transforms into you-know-what during the are-they-still-on-Namek saga?
07:59:30 PM Jul 3rd 2010
Perhaps people who haven't seen Dragon Ball?
08:02:58 AM Aug 13th 2010
This is also why I don't believe most Death Tropes and Betrayal Tropes should have unmarked spoilers all the way through. Let Them Die Happy isn't exactly on a par with The Bad Guy Wins for spoiler tags being completely pointless.

...Trouble is, how do we get someone who believes in spoiler tags to wade through a page like Wham Episode and set things right? I'm certainly not up to it.
10:46:39 AM Aug 13th 2010
The page we're talking about here is Wham Episode. Just about every example on it is a spoiler by definition. I can think of no practical way to add spoiler tags to it without it becoming completely unreadable.
09:52:50 PM Aug 13th 2010
It already is completely unreadable - unreadable because it's a blooming minefield, which is worse than white space any day. Go ahead and change your spoiler settings if you can't muster the energy to highlight.
05:09:06 PM Aug 14th 2010
Besides we have a Spoiler Policy. And going on the internet is esentially spoiling yourself. If you don't want to spoil yourself on Tv Tropes, DON"T READ ANY EXAMPLES OR TROPES! This is probably best if it were one of the pages that shouldn't have spoiler taqs.
01:27:45 PM Aug 15th 2010
...I have my disagreements with the Spoiler Policy, Mario, but "don't read any examples or tropes" is not what it says.
08:56:10 AM Aug 16th 2010
If you want to make the page safer for people to read, write the examples more carefully. They don't need to summarise half the plot; they need only explain why a particular episode is a wham episode, which can often be done without spoiling anything.

  • In episode 3.17, John's new love interest, Mary, unmasks the Dread Lord Xoanon, and discovers he's actually John's favourite aunt.
  • In episode 3.17, the love interest unmasks the Big Bad, and discovers they are someone John knows very well, but would never suspect.

Both explain why 3.17 is a wham episode, but the first is much more spoilery, needlessly so. None of these extra details increase the wham factor, so they should all be omitted. Boil all the examples down to their essential details like this, and most of the spoilers will just disappear.

If you don't like our Spoiler Policy, don't just ignore it; argue it out on the relevant discussion pages. Win that debate, and you can riddle this page with spoiler tags to your hearts content, but until then it should remain tag free.

As for the other changes in my recent edit, examples that say, 'episode X, the whole thing,' are not good examples. Nor is gushing about how surprising it was, first person or otherwise.
11:43:58 AM Aug 18th 2010
Actually, Robert, when I mentioned the "don't abuse this blanket warning" clause to Fast Eddie, he said that if you really want something in the example you added unspoiled on a blanket page, you can go ahead and use the tags - but that it's on an individual example basis. Go ahead and ask him, if you'd like, but those tags you removed should go back.

But yes, graceful tiptoeing is the best option when you can get it. I'll try control-F-ing fandoms I know for that.
03:39:39 PM Aug 18th 2010
'An individual example basis' isn't carte blanche to use spoiler tags, it means only if they're really justified - i.e if they're still spoilers (eventually, the spoilerness does wear off), and if you can't explain why the episode is a wham episode without them.
04:38:50 PM Sep 18th 2010
You're all exaggerating how this page looks when spoilers are tagged. I've been to this page before people decided to give it a makeover, and it looked perfectly fine to me.

"eventually, the spoilerness does wear off"

Yeah that is completely wrong. Spoilers only become well known because people like you keep spoiling them. It is also not for you to decide when everybody knows everything about a particular work.
10:00:17 PM Sep 18th 2010
Fine to you isn't fine to everyone.

However, this has already been discussed over in the forum, and a tentative compromise reached. You might like to take a look, before reopening month dead arguments.
06:37:18 AM Oct 4th 2012
Shouldnt we add Death note? Im talking about the death of L halfway through the manga.
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