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Whitewings
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08:44:58 PM Dec 1st 2012
What exactly is "photo-based porn?" The Denmark example doesn't make any sense, since (arguably) pornographic photos go back as far as photography itself. The Dageurre brothers financed much of their work by producing racy postcards.
CleverPun
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06:09:31 AM Jul 31st 2012
Removed the following example cuz it was just a buttload of natter- if y'all want to reach a consensus you can put it back.

  • "Stone Cold Crazy" by Queen was one of the earliest Hard Rock songs, and it was a precursor/influence to several styles of Metal (Speed Metal and Thrash Metal especially).
    • But Steppenwolf's "Born to Be Wild" has always been considered to be the first 'hard rock' song and the first song to popularize the term "heavy metal" (the phrase originates in this song's lyric), even though it itself wasn't a 'heavy metal' song.
      • The Beatles, The Who, Jimi Hendrix and Cream were playing hard rock (admittedly in Cream's case it is very blues influenced) before Born To Be Wild. It is a genre that isn't defined very tightly so it is hard to name a first song- Purple Haze and Helter Skelter are two examples I've seen cited a lot, as well as I Can See For Miles (the inspiration for Helter Skelter).
    • Hard rock was around years before "Stone Cold Crazy", and so were several songs that could be considered speed metal. Compare "Finding My Way" by Rush, "Rock the Nation" and "Space Station No. 5" by Montrose, and several songs by Deep Purple and Uriah Heep. "Stone Cold Crazy" is roughly contemporary with "Symptom of the Universe" by Black Sabbath, which is more commonly considered to be the Ur Example of thrash. Deep Purple's "Fireball" or "Speed King" is probably the speed metal Ur Example.
VandalHeartX
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08:38:32 PM Jun 1st 2012
"Ares of Greek Mythology may be the first case of Adaptational Badass. He was often little more than a bloodthirsty bully who got the crap beat out of him by anything that wasn't purely mortal despite being the God of War and embodiment of physical power. The Romans later identified him with their god Mars elevating him to be the divine father of Rome, second most important god to Jupiter, ideal soldier, and all-around badass."

Maybe off-topic, maybe not, but does that make him the Ur Example of The Worf Effect and Author's Saving Throw?

lu127
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01:58:24 PM Apr 11th 2012
I'm unsure about this example, so whoever can verify it and add some context can put it back.

  • El-b is believed to be the ur example of dubstep, even though he is a uk garage artist.
    • alternatively, Uk Garage IS the father to dubstep, so Uk Garage in itself the Ur Example of dubstep.
artman40
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04:25:40 PM Jan 12th 2011
What is a contrast to Ur Example a.k.a. when the trope occurs in times when it's not a trope anymore (doesn't have a definite pattern of occurrence).
MrDeath
07:49:10 AM Jan 13th 2011
I have no idea what you mean. There isn't a time when a trope isn't a trope anymore. Do you mean the "last" recorded use? Because that wouldn't exist since as the world goes on, it will inevitably be used again.
VandalHeartX
08:35:36 PM Jun 1st 2012
The closest approximations to the answer to that question would be deconstruction of and discrediting of a trope. From a certain point of view, the Ur Example is essentially the birth event of a trope, while discredit is the natural death and deconstruction is the murder (or mercy killing) of a trope. Funny, though, that a Dead Horse Trope isn't actually dead. It's just overdone and unpopular.

At least, that's how I see it.
82.171.16.94
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01:51:52 PM Sep 28th 2010
So what is the Ur Example of Ur Example?
VandalHeartX
08:24:44 PM Jun 1st 2012
I was about to say Post Modernism, but then I asked myself about if that's an inverse example, and now I have a headache.
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