Kersey475: I nominate that this image be the new image for this page (I have no idea how to upload images onto this site so could someone else please do it).

The capitalisation of (T/t)sundere is inconsistent—we should pick one and stick with it. Also, what about italicisation?

I'd found myself questioning the inclusion of Eri Sawachika as a Type B tsundere (she comes across as very Type A-ish to me), and it got me wondering about how much "public face" factored into whether a character is a Type B tsundere or not. I kind of dislike the idea of classifying a character as a Type B based on a "nice" facade rather then them being a genuinely nice in general -I tend to think of Type B tsunderes as being generally nice people who can show a more tempermental side at times (like Mai Tokiha from Mai-Hi ME). Yet in the case of a Type A tsundere it is specifically noted that it's the face the character puts on -not the intensity of their feelings- that determines whether they're a Type A. So does this image factor apply to Type Bs as well?

There's a Vocaloid song, "eight hundred" wherein Hatsune Miku is singing about many lies; winter is a sweaty season, and summer is a freezing one, many obvious things. Included are "I hate everything about you, and I never want you to be with me."

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_QbG5RTPg

Judging by the context of the written part(s), it seems she says things like that to the boy constantly, but then her feelings are shown by the end of the song...and what happened to the boy.

Case of tragic Type A Tsundere?

With all folders open, this 9-page article becomes a 75-page article. Should the examples be moved to their own subpages?

Is it me, or has tsun tsun tsundere lost popularity since the late nineties?

This trope needs to be renamed. Tropes need to be accessible to everyone, not just the Otaku crowd. It should be recognizable without needing to click on the trope what the gist of the trope is.

From the sounds of the above conversation parts of this trope there is consensus that this trope can be moved under other tropes can be eliminated entirely.

This page needs to be reorganized/revamped or eliminated in a major way.

I don't know if I can make anything of this, and that's why I'm not taking it to the Repair Shop, but maybe someone can say something illuminating about it here.

I'm suspicious that there's something off with the concept of the type A tsundere. Why we have a trope here is because there's supposed to be a distinctive character type that has two different sides. Well, suppose a female character's personality basically has one side in this sense: she's just aggressive like that, "all the time". Still a normal person, though, so she's not like that *all* the time. And not incapable of having a relationship. Then she's probably a lot nicer part of the time when she's with someone she cares about. In that case, her different behaviours are not to be attributed to a dual-style personality but to circumstance and being human. So she's not a tsundere, because she's not showing a personality type with two aspects in any non-redundant sense.

But you just know that every female character whose personality includes the "tsun" part as dominant is going to be called a type A tsundere, at least if she's in a relationship at all ever. How can you make a difference, anyway? And who aside from some kind of a psycho is going to be seen as too non-dere not to be a type A tsundere? So does the concept of a type A tsundere really only require the "tsun" part plus being human?

For example, I've seen Gwynn from Sluggy Freelance being called a tsundere. Frankly, she's shown as being pretty nasty for most of the time. Of course it's really because of her own insecurities, and of course her relationship with Riff had some more positive moments (we were only explicitly shown her being gentle towards him after he'd saved her life or something) and she cares about her friends. But those things were necessary just to make her a character with any real depth and believability. Most of the time she is pretty harsh. Does it make any sense to say she had two sides? And either way, where do you draw the line?

Type B doesn't strike me as equally problematic, though you could try similar arguments against it.

Love-Hate Mate.

Just a thought for an alternative title. People search "love-hate relationship" a lot, I imagine.

Am I the only person here who hates Tsunderes? Those characters are always whiney and beat up people for no reason.

We should have a new page for Tsundere scrappy. They are just too many Tsunderes i just wanna yell at "STOP BEATING UP THE MAIN CHARACTER FOR THE SLIGHTEST PERVERTED THING!!!!"

The opening line that established this article as self-demonstrating is gone. Why?

Something I think should be adressed: The assumption is that the 'hot' side carries negative feelings towards the love interest, disapproval and scorn, wheras the 'cold' side carries the positives, caring and understanding etc.

This is not always the case, especially in males tsunderes. The negatives can be on the 'cold' side, as an aloof, uncaring personality, wheras the positives come out in a passionate, defensive 'hot' side.

e.g. "[Cold] Stop whining. I get so damn sick of hearing you whine all the time... It never achieves anything. It never makes you happier. [Hot] Because you're an amazing person, and it makes me so freaking ANGRY that you can't appreciate it. I love you, and the least you could do is stop throwing these compliments back in my freaking FACE!" *Storms from room*

You get the idea.