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atheywa
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10:19:05 AM Sep 30th 2011
edited by atheywa
What is the relationship section about (found on the the right of the discussion)?
Oreochan
04:43:47 PM Dec 20th 2011
It's about the relationships that Tomboy has with other tropes,like whether its a parent trope or a sibling of another trope.
Stoogebie
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07:58:29 PM Aug 23rd 2011
edited by Stoogebie
Here's a question; is one a tomboy simply for having stereotypically "un-girly" interests, and not liking stereotypically "girly" things? Like, not being into personal appearance, pink, high heels, shopping, ect. and taking interest in martial arts, shonen anime/manga, academics like science and chemistry, and what have you, though let's say she keeps a few girly traits (like maybe beanies and cute things and a couple of cartoon crushes), would it still count? Or would she be more like, "balanced" between the two?
Tedofg
02:13:47 PM Sep 28th 2011
I think the latter.
Sackett
10:06:00 PM Oct 9th 2011
Depends. As the trope says it's a subjective judgement.

Likely the girl you describe would be considered Tomboyish by many people.
atheywa
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11:48:34 AM Jul 30th 2011
edited by atheywa
It's good that people have added examples but all it says for each of the western animation examples and anime/manga is that they fit perfectly. That's as good as saying X Just X. No tomboy fits everything, at least not equally, so each of them needs to say how it applies. Thank you.
Sackett
10:06:58 PM Oct 9th 2011
It was decided in YKTTW that examples are a bad thing for a Tomboy page. Put examples on the subtrope pages.
Tedofg
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04:38:34 AM Jul 11th 2011
Is Ginny Weasley really a tomboy?
atheywa
11:41:39 AM Jul 30th 2011
Well, let's look at the facts. She plays a sport and has a defensive attitude just like a Cute Bruiser while still being Moe Moe so she's not trying to be anything other than herself. She does enjoy being pretty and has romantic feelings but that doesn't make her less boyish despite those who say Real Women Never Wear Dresses.
Tedofg
02:11:28 PM Sep 28th 2011
Despite what the article says, I think wanting to be a Moe Moe and a tomboy is like wanting to be Affably Evil and a Complete Monster.
Sackett
10:07:11 PM Oct 9th 2011
It was decided in YKTTW that examples are a bad thing for a Tomboy page. Put examples on the subtrope pages.
rose64bud
06:03:04 PM May 11th 2012
Well, most (younger) tomboys are cute, albeit in an unconventional, non-Moe-like way.
atheywa
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11:32:49 AM Feb 14th 2011
Calling the Hot Scientist a tomboy is offensive to women want to excel academically. A feminine woman is allowed to fight (if she does it gracefully) but not earn a degree? Someone tell me why I shouldn't remove it from the list.
Tedofg
10:42:00 AM Jul 21st 2011
We aren't talking about what women aren't allowed to do. Math & science are generally considered masculine subjects.
Stoogebie
07:48:53 PM Aug 23rd 2011
Yeah, that's the problem; being interested in things like science and math shouldn't be called "guyish" things, any more than, say, writing a book is "girly". That's the issue here.
Tedofg
02:13:15 PM Sep 28th 2011
Exactly. We are talking about what is generally considered masculine by society. You could also point out that saying tough girls are tomboys is offensive to female wrestlers, but those must be on the list.

Sackett
10:08:31 PM Oct 9th 2011
Because it's the way it is. We catalog tropes as found in fiction. We don't censor them because they are Politically Incorrect.
Stoogebie
08:06:36 PM Nov 3rd 2011
No offense, but nerdy characters can be plenty girly. I mean, case in point: how many times do you hear male geek characters being called "manly"? When a guy's nerdy, he's not esteemed as being exceptionally "masculine" as compared to, say, an athletic or lecherous guy. So how is it that when a girl does it, that automatically spells "tomboy"? Especially considering how tropes like The Smart Guy and Guile Hero/Science Hero are more passive roles than The Big Guy and Action Hero.
74.64.15.17
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12:20:47 AM Jul 23rd 2010
Is there a male counterpart to the tomboy on this wiki? Feminine boys, if I wasn't being obvious enough.
TheEditor
07:04:54 AM Sep 26th 2010
the male equivalent of a tomboy is a janegirl.
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