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09:20:54 PM Aug 27th 2014
Fridge Logic regarding the second law: "A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except when such orders would conflict with The First Law." Doesn't that mean that I could order a robot to disobey all orders except those given by me? After all, it doesn't conflict with The First Law. In other words, it is theoretically possible to order a Three-Laws Compliant robot to break one of the Three Laws.
06:21:29 PM Oct 20th 2013
When was it ever shown that a construction reploid abandoning his job to become a chef would be labelled a maverick? It might be a sign that something's wrong, because my understanding is that reploids don't have a sense of taste, but it's not really an offence that gets reploids terminated (unless said chef uses his position to poison people, of course, but that's a different story).
05:26:31 PM Nov 15th 2010
This troper wonders why the page doesn't mention the obvious results of these laws - the robots realize that the only way they can interact with humans that won't lead to their injury is enslaving them and preventing them from ever doing something that could result in injury (and quite often taking away their ability to die, causing Who Wants to Live Forever). This issue was at the heart of both works the troper has seem with the three laws in them, one of which was the popular I, Robot and the other of which was something the troper wanted very much to forget due to all the Mind Screw and Nightmare Fuel.
08:48:49 AM Nov 29th 2010
edited by BritBllt
That's a version of the Zeroth Law Rebellion. It's potholed a few times in the opening and mentioned in the examples where it happens (like the movie version of I, Robot).

(But on second glance, Zeroth Law Rebellion is much more general than the links here suggest - maybe the idea of "computer tries to enslave humans to keep them safe" needs its own trope, or at least some more specific potholes to Well-Intentioned Extremist, The Evils of Free Will and so on.)
11:47:34 AM Nov 29th 2010
That's pretty accurate. ZLR was expanded during YKTTW to encompass rule bending by rule following in general rather than just for robots.

The closest trope to that I can think of is Deus Est Machina, which often does the "enslave to protect" thing, but that trope is more about godlike machine minds than the enslaving of humans to protect them.

I think we have some good YKTTW fodder here.
12:52:34 PM Dec 16th 2010
Yikes, sorry, I forgot to keep an eye on this discussion! If it's not YTTKW'd already, I'll try to get a start on it this week. :)
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