Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Clarifying the definition
, started by Camacan on Jun 12th 2011 at 5:25:54 AM
aka LeopardBunny
"Compare (but does not overlap with) Verbal Tic..." Wouldn't the Scary Terry example from Rick and Morty count as overlap?
bnuuy
I've noticed a bit of an issue with the current image. Yes, the image makes perfect sence if you know that character from Breaking Bad, but if you don't, this image doesn't work. Could there at least be some form of subtitle or something in it? Something that emphasises the trope itself?
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That image is also poorly formatted. It's just a quote with an image over it. Feel free to throw it into Image Picking.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I liked the old quote better. Shouldn't it at least be in the quotes section of the page?
That One Troper
I'd like to know... is this only about the word "bitch", or could some other expletive tacked on to the end of a word count, like "motherfucker"?
Evil is my favorite color.
I'm of the opinion that This Is For Emphasis, Bitch! actually subtracted from the humor of Adam Sandler's line in Happy Gilmore when he gets into a fight with Bob Barker, knocks him out almost cold to the ground, and says, "The price is wrong, bitch!" The televised version arguably is more funny with "The price is wrong, Bobby!"
What about Mark Zuckerberg's card in The Social Network
"I'm CEO, Bitch"
Donnie Darko is a nice example of this Trope. Donni calls his mom "bitch" in the subtlest and calmest way ever:
- Then why don't you start taking the goddamn pills? Donnie leans over and turns off his lamp. Rose turns and leaves her son alone in the dark, closing the door behind her, and then Donnie mumbles: - Bitch.
Then, Rose goes to his husband and says: - Our son just called me a bitch. And he awesomely replies - You're not a bitch. You're bitching... but you are not a bitch.
If this trope is ever unlocked, Jesse from Breaking Bad would be a good example...
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I second that... If they're going to keep this locked they should at least include one of the most prominent examples on tv right now.
- In Malibus Most Wanted, the actors hired to watch Brad and "scare him white" applaud themselves for the "authentic" use of this trope while they're trying to act like thugs.
I didn't realize it was locked 'til after I wrote the example... it's been a while since I visited this page.
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When this gets unlocked, someone can add the Black Eyed Peas song called "Simple Little Melody" with the lyrics, "3 + 1 = 4 = B.E.P. bitch." One of the sillier examples.
WTF? This page used to be funny as hell, what with all the gratuitous "bitch" words added in at the end of every sentence. Did the "serious business" nazis get a hold of it? Again I say, WTF?
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Funny isn't good enough when it's not accurate. This is not merely using "bitch" at the end of a sentence, and the page made it look like that before, causing loads of misuse.
And that wasn't just me who wanted the page cleaned up. There was also Fast Eddie. If you know who he is, you should take a more reasonable tone.
Edited by DragonQuestZ I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
How was it not accurate? The trope is about adding the word "bitch" (or any other swear-word) to a sentence where it would otherwise function perfectly without the word, correct? The way the article was before, it did just that, as an example, and if my memory recalls correctly, each instance was accompanied with an exclamation point, further hitting home that whole "this is for emphasis" point. If that were not the case, and my memory is playing with me, then it would have been an easy and simple process to simply edit in exclamation points to accompany the "bitch" words.
In regards to Fast Eddie, I'm afraid I have do not know who he is. Sorry.
"The trope is about adding the word "bitch" (or any other swear-word) to a sentence where it would otherwise function perfectly without the word, correct?"
It was before, but the form of that, and allowing other words, turned this into just swearing all over the place, and swearing even when not at the end of sentences. It was getting a lot of misuse, something that still hasn't been fully cleaned up in the wicks.
"In regards to Fast Eddie, I'm afraid I have do not know who he is. Sorry."
One of the founders of this site, and also one of the few administrators. So if he decrees something, you had better have good reason to argue otherwise, and still be polite about it (I learned the latter the hard way).
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Ah, I see. Well, that is a shame that such a humorous page got messed. It really had me rolling when I first read it.
And thank you for clarifying who Fast Eddie is. Not only did I not know who he was, but I was also unaware that it was him (i.e. one of the founders/admins of the site) who had made the change. This being a wiki, which can be theoretically edited by anyone, I was under the (mistaken) impression that some prude who took exception to swear words had done the editing. Well, now that I know the whole story and who was behind the change, I shall keep my peace and keep quiet, though I do still miss the page of yore.
I did make Quote Swear Unquote to split off the gratuitous swearing aspect of it.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
I also liked it when the Folder headers incorporated the trope (i.e. "Comic Books, Bitch!"). I forget other specifics from the first time I read it but that part made me laugh. It wasn't the height of cleverness but it was moderately witty and I didn't find it gratuitous. If nothing else I hope the headers can be changed.
Jonah Falcon
30 Rock: You need to add "Bitch Hunter". Will Ferrell: Put down the mimosas, bitch!
Jonah Falcon
Someone with editing powers over this page should fix the "Juggernaut Bitch" video to one that works, like this one.
Why is this still locked? There is a very good manga example that I can't add because of that.
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I have several.
If Fast Eddie hates this trope and doesn't want it unlocked then can he at least edit good examples in?
Currently reading up My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours
It's locked more for Trope Decay. When I found a good description, he accepted it. So if you want the edits put it, ask on some place like Ask The Tropers.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
The Other Troper
The new text was put in, but not everything. Just in case this paragraph is inserted later, I'm putting it here (since I put the sandbox page on the cut list):
Now simply saying "bitch" at the end of a sentence is not enough to count. Again, it has to be like verbalizing an exclamation point. Saying "bitch" constantly, or at random, doesn't count either. Calling someone a bitch can count though, as long as it's also for the purpose of emphasizing the rest of the sentence.
Edited by DragonQuestZ I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
It's way too soon to call this a Discredited Trope. It's more likely Cyclical; all it would take is for another Memetic Badass to use it and it'll be on the upswing again. And audiences always love when Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds or Beware the Nice Ones use it.
Subjectively, there's a fine line between a Troll and someone who lives just to piss you off.
I get it, FastEddie doesn't like this trope. But can we please get this page unlocked just so we can tidy it up? Some (probably) random attempt at pruning this before the lock has left hanging examples that no longer make sense (like this entry - 'The Middle Man: "Muscle memory, bitch!" They also quoted the Die Hard example.' - which makes no sense when said Die Hard example isn't on the page any more)... (I'd also like to see Aliens restored to the list, being the Most Triumphant Example, but that's a minor thing.)
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Right. If an example pops up in a newer form of media, how are we supposed to add it to this article?
Also, not liking this trope =/ a valid reason to lock the article.
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Why isn't Molly Weasly's outburst in the last Harry Potter book mentioned?
to Bellatrix I think - "DON'T MESS WITH MY DAUGHTER YOU BITCH!" (yes it is in all caps)
re:Cut
I find those arguments unconvincing. It starts with quibbles over the origin of the phrase but really if you look at the examples, any one of them could be the origin. The issues with one particular show don't matter to the worth of the trope overall and I don't think there's anything to explain it as the source of all examples. I can't actually tell what examples did start the page but I'm bemused that the second example in the Live-Action TV section is the source of contention.
When we look overall the examples, I think we can see a common strain of people adding the curt, punctuated insult to the end to emphasis the anger and add an air of badassitude. This doesn't naturally exclude being able to interpret it as being directed at someone. Au contraire, that seems a natural part of bravado chest thumping with a little extra hilarity. That condition is a false addition it seems. The "foundations" seems to be actually what people have seen and deduced from what they watch on tv. Then they've taken that, spread wicks based on that, added examples based on that and I'll cut or not base on that.
Teal Dear: I'm not seeing this as a particularly valid basis for even starting a discussion about cutting. Examples, wicks and description seem coherent. I'm seeing no floaty little Trope Repair Box, I'm wondering how renaming a trope with 70 wicks is an epic change to be done as last resort but cutting one with over 300 isn't.
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Does anyone else think that the current (as of this writing) description of this trope feels a little biased against it?
Edited by LanceOmikron
Deserves? When did deserving become a factor in how we describe tropes?
Well, it is accurate in all respects. It is overused.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Maybe it is overused, but with all due respect, the current "description" feels more like a disgruntled forum post about the trope rather than a description of it.
Yeah, we should just cut it. There isn't anything to describe. A lot of people have added the word 'bitch' to a sentence. Tada! Described.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Really? I mean, it's a Stock Phrase (of sorts) used in quite a few memorable lines. We have plenty of those around here, so why not this one?
What's precedent ever done for us?
Maybe we could just cut the last (rather harsh) sentence, which is what is causing this discussion.
Tyler Durden is my bitch.
Makes sense to me.
Any way the page can be unlocked, so that may be accomplished?
What's precedent ever done for us?
Ta, Eddie. I'd cut 'about' from the trope description, too, but that's just nitpicking.
What's precedent ever done for us?
Agree with cutting the last sentence and unlocking. Tropes Are Not Bad and all.
As at least one example shows, "motherfucker" can be substituted for "bitch", either to serve as a harsher implementation of the basic idea or just because it sounds better in that sentence.
I would have just added this to the article, but it's still locked.
Scary Terry's more of a Captain Ersatz, which Rick even comments on, "Looks like a legally safe knock off of an 80's horror character, with miniature swords for fingers, instead of knives!"