06:43:18 PM Jun 27th 2017
Is there any clarification on whether or not this can qualify if it applies to specific installments? Say a character was important in one series, then in the sequels is just a voiceless extra?
06:20:00 AM May 29th 2014
Why does noboby talk about Flame Princess here? I just added an example of her there, but now it's removed.
06:24:53 PM May 29th 2014
Nobody knows? C'mon, guys! You all have to know! I'm the only one in question here!
12:56:52 AM May 30th 2014
Why should anybody be talking about her here? Remember, most people on a wiki aren't familiar with a given work/character.
04:12:42 PM May 30th 2014
I kept thinking that Flame Princess has a huge fanbase, but the creator thought it wise to give her fewer appearances than Marceline like he has no real interest in her at all. Whaddya say to that?
04:16:04 PM May 30th 2014
Like I said in the edit reason, they aren't done with her yet and there's still more episodes to come.
04:22:19 PM May 30th 2014
Really? I thought for sure Penn Ward hated her because she was an interference with his Finn XPB ship. Do ya think those rumors are true?
04:28:18 PM May 30th 2014
Uh, he never said he hated her, or that she "interfered" with Finn/PB. He's saying the show needs to evolve, but that's it.
04:58:46 PM May 30th 2014
Well then, whaddya say to this?
07:46:42 PM Jun 19th 2013
"Mary Watson, née Morstan, in Sherlock Holmes. Despite playing a major role in The Sign of Four, having quite a bit of genuine detective skill herself, and ending up married to Dr. Watson, she's never used again except in cameos, and during the Time Skip between "The Final Problem" and "The Empty House", she's killed off." A totally unexplored point: There's one case where Holmes is the narrator, and helps out a client who was wondering why he wasn't being allowed to see an old comrade-in-arms. Holmes mentions the reason he worked the case alone was because Watson had obligations due to being married at the time. In an interesting side comment, Holmes refers to Watson getting married 'the only selfish thing he ever did'. So Doyle not only ignored Mary as a character, he ignored her interaction/sort-of-rivalry with Holmes, which could have had a very interesting plot. It probably wouldn't have worked within the Strand's format, but in a novel like The Hound of the Baskervilles, it could have been explored. (The family thought the guy had leprosy; he had a condition that looked like leprosy but wasn't contagious, and was thought to be brought on by stress.
05:49:12 AM Apr 3rd 2013
Removed these examples. They need to be rewritten.
- Pan? You missed 4/6 members of the GT fighters who totally weren't touched. Granted she basically got written out of what really should have been her show, but come on! Gohan was the Chosen One who had a huge nature and nurture dynamic not only due to his mixed heritage but also his mixed upbringing (Studying and Martial Arts). He takes the third option, but that's aluded to. Majuub gets it worse. He's hyped up in the last episode of the previous series to be the only rival to Goku and his successor. Then when a genuine threat shows up and he gets to shine, he gets a major power up only never to win a major fight. And let's not get started on Goten and Trunks. Fusion and the power of friendship? Nope just Goku. Syncronized movesets from a pair of bash brothers? No just Goku. Natural Super Saiyan skills and incredible potential, as well as record breaking powers at a young age? Nope, just Goku. At least Vegeta gets to be plot relevant in the final battle, at least while he's fused with Goku.
11:29:01 PM Oct 14th 2011
03:09:05 PM Apr 21st 2011
edited by LongLiveHumour
edited by LongLiveHumour
- Avatar:The Last Airbender has Suki who was such an interesting exotic character but ended up being Sokka's girlfriend who could kick ass in a world where Action Girls are rampant. Also this troper felt that King Bumi was much too smart,too funny,too interesting to only be in 3 chapters.
- To be fair, Suki was intended to be a one-off but became recurring after the writers saw how popular she was - the same thing happened to Jet, who got a four-episode arc in Book 2 before being killed by Long Feng to emphasise the darkening tone of the story (and lead in to Aang's temporary death at Azula's hands, quite effectively as well). The writers just didn't have the time, nor the episodes, to really let Suki have an enormous impact on the plot since the three Books were planed out from the start and things were constantly being adjusted anyway. But at least she got a Big Damn Heroes moment in the finale, - to say nothing of her presence shown affecting the climax of Book 2, and holding her own against Ty Lee, who had previously taken out multiple Kyoshi Warriors single-handed (mind you, this was after a month or so imprisoned in the Avatarverse's version of Alcatraz!).
- As for Bumi, I agree that he was really entertaining, but what could honestly be done to give him more impact on the story? If he appeared too much, he'd overpower the opposition far too easily - he's also better in small doses so we can cherish his appearances when they did occur ... on that note, there are a few great one-shot characters who didn't make the cut and could've been used more, but like I said, the plot was carefully built around the core cast and couldn't be modified too much without potentially losing important events and characterisation - worse, it could've become hard to follow and effectively jumped the shark. You may as well complain that they didn't plan two books for each Season/Bending-Discipline/Element, and even if they had we'd get even more characters we want more of. The show did a fairly good job with the characters it has.
06:08:01 AM Jun 19th 2010
Passed the description through YKTTW. Gained some examples, saw some confusion with the old, too subjective, definition, and saw some with Ensemble Darkhorse. I think cutting out the spewing of many tropes at people may help. We don't need to make the characters sound like they must be the most awesome ever and there is no need to have the largest section be devoted to simply pointing out that this isn't a character type. The focus should be on missing screentime.
10:11:00 PM Jun 5th 2010
... I got a strange feeling this trope will not end well.
08:03:49 AM Jun 6th 2010
Well on the one hand I feel there is more of a trope in there if you compare to something like the Ensemble Darkhorse or Designated Protagonist Syndrome, on the other hand we do already have Ensemble Darkhorse and Designated Protagonist Syndrome. No actually, I do think that it does have independent value, I just think the writer completely missed the point of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot. The basis for the plot and the high concept description is an intriguing one with lots of potential that is not fully utilised. It's not "good plot in a bad movie". This trope and this name should be for characters who are interesting and intruiging and have lots of potential but are not fully utilised. Just imagine saying the name to someone with no knowledge of it. That's what they'll guess it means. You haven't said "They Wasted A Perfectly Good Character On A Bad Movie". I think that this can live as long as you change it to not be a bad snowclone attempt where someone reads a trope, misunderstands it and then just swaps a word out. I don't think that this ground is covered by Designated Protagonist Syndrome or Ensemble Darkhorse. You wouldn't say that Marvel haven't fully utilised Wolverine, after all.
08:16:46 AM Jun 6th 2010
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edited by SomeSortOfTroper
Maybe this was actually a very cunning self demonstrating article. You see there was that paragraph at the end about how you can have a really interesting one off character come in and then disappear and seem to be wasted potential. It was basically the trope we really wanted, mistreated and left at the end. Well I probably ruined the joke by taking what was essentially just a completely different trope slapped on the end and making it the only trope on the page but now the page works. I also brought over examples from They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot.
08:35:21 AM Jun 6th 2010