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VVK
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10:33:41 AM Mar 25th 2010
Maybe there should be another trope for when A defeats X to demonstrate being Bad Ass but without an assumption X makes a habit of being so defeated?
192.197.178.2
06:52:47 AM Apr 29th 2010
edited by 192.197.178.2
I was thinking the same thing. The Worf Effect seems to me to apply to a character that has this happen often enough to ruin his Bad Ass image. Instances where the villian/hero offs some known Bad Ass once to demonstrate their badassness shouldn't be part of this.

An example of this is when DS 9 introduced the USS Odessey (identical to the Enterprise) and had it blown up by the Jemhadar just to show their badassness and so that the USS Defiant have a proper Bad Ass level on its introduction.

Early DBZ was littered with this. Characters would struggle to fight a Big Bad and then someone (usually goku) would show up and destroy the Big Bad to prove his baddassness (ie. Nappa, Ginyu force, Freeza).

Maybe we should call the New trope the 'Badass Test'. Any Big Bad that passes the 'Badass Test' would be a 'Certified Badass' (as apposed to a supposed Bad Ass that never seems to do anything).

Repeated application of a 'Badass Test' to a single character would then be The Worf Effect which could then lead to Badass Decay.
Timeman
08:44:07 AM Jun 16th 2010
I think goku is the inverse of worf. possibly making a new trope in his name.
Nanya
09:11:22 PM Dec 2nd 2010
Wouldn't the "loss to new Bad Ass" thing count as Jobbing?

Really, Jobbing is the lighter form of this trope. If you lose once (or once in awhile), you're jobbing. Losing consistently means that you suffer this trope.
MagBas
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02:16:05 PM Oct 26th 2010
  • In Yu-Gi-Oh, Mai loses almost every onscreen battle despite qualifying for various tournaments.

"When the Monster Of The Week or the Big Bad shows up, it invariably picks up the toughest character among the heroes and hurls him across the room (or otherwise takes him out in one blow)""On the analytical side of things, it can be difficult to portray someone as being strong yet outclassed. If they give the villain too good of a fight, it makes the villain not look quite as powerful. If they give too poor of a showing, then they end up getting a trope named after them." Considering that Mai was one hard opponent and with one clear advantage by more of the fight in ALL her battles, she not qualifies.
Temmere
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11:01:38 AM Nov 1st 2010
Took out "Rei's fatal loss to Raoh in Fist of the North Star was done to show off how much of a threat Raoh was compared to Kenshiro's previous adversaries." because it clearly violates the "series of defeats" rule. If someone more familiar with the series can point out Rei losing several fights like this, feel free to put it back.
Kairu
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05:52:18 PM Mar 19th 2011
Is this the idea behind "when you get into prison, find the biggest guy and knock him out so you'll be safe" ?
AP
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10:38:32 PM Jun 23rd 2011
edited by AP
I restored the film section. While some of those examples showed single wins, there were still a few clear examples of this trope at work. In fact, one example even included Worf himself.
LentilSandEater
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02:49:28 PM Oct 12th 2011
Sooo many justifying edits on this page, please stop adding them.
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