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MithrandirOlorin
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12:50:52 AM Jul 6th 2013
edited by 70.92.228.166
I think The Vamp and Femme Fatale should be merged. Everywhere else on the internet and in pop culture their synonyms. Femme Fatale is more common today, so indeed every Vamp listed here I can find examples of being called a Femme Fatale. And on The Other Wiki a search for either leads to the same page. And we don't split this in 2 for the Tween/Tween counterpart, the Fille Fatale covers both underage Femme Fatales and Vamps.

Distinguishing this trope into 2 subtropes would work if it was clearer what the distinction was. But one page says the difference is The Vamp uses explicit Sex while the Femme Fatale just uses her feminine wiles. But I think allot of Femme Fatales only appear to not be using explicit sex because of censorship.

Another page says it's that The Vamp is less likely to be sympathetic and fall in love with her victim. To some degree whether that happens is purely YMMV. And those 2 supposed difference certainly don't always or even usually correspond, a female villain is far more likely to fall in love with the hero if they have actual sex, hence the Sex Face Turn.

But I think to allot of tropers the Femme Fatale mostly just applies to explicit homages to the 40s Film Noir variety, even there other tropers consider all those are Vamps.
piff
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02:07:12 PM May 13th 2013
Weird question, but what is the name of the picture? It's been driving me crazy for ages.
Telcontar
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12:33:37 AM May 14th 2013
"Lamia", by John William Waterhouse.
piff
05:30:01 AM May 14th 2013
Thank you so much.
R.G.
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07:55:44 AM Dec 12th 2012
Would The Vamp be The Seductress from The Three Faces of Eve?
MithrandirOlorin
11:43:43 AM Mar 3rd 2013
One could be. But the Seductress could just as easily be a Good Bad Girl
lu127
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01:20:07 AM Nov 9th 2012
MithrandirOlorin
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02:32:32 PM Jul 11th 2012
There are no Music examples for either The Vamp or Femme Fatale. Plenty of songs involve either an artist singing about one (Maneater, Gypsy Woman by Hilary Duff ect...) or even more fun a Songstress bragging about being one (Ooops.. I Did It Again by Britney Spears, Dangerous by Madisen Hill ect...).
ginsengaddict2
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12:00:50 AM Jan 10th 2012
Does this trope have to limited to "evil" characters? It seems to me that the core of the trope is a woman who uses sex appeal and seduction to come out on top.

This doesn't always apply to villains. Take Inara Serra for example - that's her whole bent, using her allure to her advantage - but she's no evil, nor does she use her seductiveness for evil ends. Now, there's a more traditional Vamp in the character of Saffron/Bridgett/Yolanda in the same work, but that doesn't make Inara's use of sex as power any less significant.

And there are plenty of other strong female characters who use sexuality to their advantage, but who are not villainous as they do so. Take Bayonetta for example. And probably one of the best examples of using sex to beat your enemy, featuring in the same book as Delilah, would be Jael.

Either we expand the trope too include heroic characters, or we create a separate trope for heroic vamps.
MithrandirOlorin
01:51:40 PM Jul 11th 2012
edited by MithrandirOlorin
Vamp is distinguished from Femme Fatale for the purposes of this site anyway, a Vamp is pure evil while a Femme Fatale is redeemable and sometimes heroic.

Of course allot of examples listed here ignore this distinction, the vast majority of those 40s and 50s Film Noirs are Femme Fatale not Vamps
Medicus
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03:57:23 AM Nov 25th 2010
edited by Medicus
Fun fact: this troper has seen the page image used as a Harry/Hermione photoshop manip. Apparently Harmonian shippers do not understand Irony.
Lale
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08:38:47 AM Jun 3rd 2010
Casanovas are men who take advantage of women and sleep around. Vamps seduce people to gain something from them or lure them to The Dark Side. The two cna overlap easily, but all Casanovas are not Vamps, and a man can try to seduce a woman for his own benefit without being a Casanova.
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