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02:05:45 PM Nov 16th 2013
edited by 99.254.158.95
I have to object to the reason for deleting Fred Phelps, which claims that he is rather a Straw Nihilist or a Misanthrope Supreme.

Misanthrope Supreme requires committing or condoning murder, which, at the moment, Phelps has not done, so he doesn't fit that trope.

Straw Nihilist is about a character who believes life is meaningless because everything is going to be destroyed. Given that Phelps is a fundamentalist Christian who believes in the existence of an afterlife, he doesn't fit that trope either.
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06:41:36 AM Nov 17th 2013
Although his considering of natural disasters and wars as just divine wrath may qualify him for Misanthrope Supreme.
MithrandirOlorin
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01:45:25 PM Sep 13th 2012
This is not officially listed as one Batman is a Trope Namer for, but ti's clearly a pun on The Dark Knight
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06:42:40 AM May 26th 2013
That's more Just for Pun than Trope Namer.
VeronicaWakefield
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07:02:17 PM Sep 9th 2012

Uh ... the trope description is pretty vague, but very few of the other examples refer to The Chessmaster bordering on Complete Monster. This trope seems to be about more than just the attitude; someone as proactive as Durden doesn't seem to have much in common with, say, Daria.

Not deleting it because it's possible I'm misinterpreting this trope, but I wanted to call it VERY MUCH into question.
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06:44:01 AM May 26th 2013
The trope definition is "someone who hates everyone". Proactivity and evilness don't qualify or disqualify someone.
ElleWednesday
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08:41:53 PM Jun 11th 2011
edited by ElleWednesday
I'm confused by the trope. The laconic description implies that the snark is a coping mechanism similar to that of the StepfordSmiler's, but the desciption itself says nothing about hiding emotions with snark (outside of a brief refernce to Stepford Smiler that says that, while the snark can be a mask, it isn't always.) and implies that the character snarks because she is thinks everyone else is stupid. So which is it? Does she snark to hide her feelings or to "crusade against idiocracy"?
kathburnheparine
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12:17:12 AM Dec 24th 2010
I don't see how Sokka, Toph, or Hermione fit this trope. Can someone explain this to me?

ukiiukii
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08:05:25 PM Nov 29th 2010
I really don't see the point in this page's existence.

It's just a Knight in Sour Armour mixed with a Deadpan snarker. Does this really need to be a seperate trope?
DesertDragon
05:19:55 AM Oct 11th 2011
From what I understand, the deadpan snarker simply uses snark for humor, whereas the Snark Knight turns it into a world view.
Caswin
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06:19:28 PM May 23rd 2010
I really don't like the differentiation from Deadpan Snarker. I get that they're two different tropes, but "smarmy bystander" is badly misleading, and the standards central to the character don't really sound impossibly high. I'm not quite sure how to change it, but this has bugged me for a long time.
jketchum31
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05:25:27 PM Mar 22nd 2010
I'd like to speak to the person who added Shadow. One part of the Daria trope, as I understand it, is a blanket morality that is universally and consistently applied to the self and others. Shadow seems to have no sense of morality, just a visceral need to protect soft-spoken girls and women. His complete lack of morality outside of that and his tendency to expect people to mind their business outside of competition or fulfilling promises would seem to be an opposite to this philosophy... unless of course you see that amorality as a code of its own. I guess I just want to hear what you have to say on it before I ponder looking into procedure to delete and inaccurate example.
banjo2E
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01:47:07 PM Mar 16th 2010
edited by banjo2E
banjo2E: Why is the description exclusively female, exactly? Please enlighten me.
spiritsunami
10:39:57 PM Mar 16th 2010
It's related to the previous name. The trope got renamed because of the tendency to try to stay away from "The X" type names—and for once, this is better.
FlyingOxymoron
10:59:49 AM Apr 23rd 2010
How is "The Snark Knight" different from "The Daria"? It looks like a false positive and you have achieved nothing in changing it to stay away from "The X" type names.
67.171.36.151
12:11:12 AM May 8th 2010
edited by 67.171.36.151
Morgan Wick: It's descriptive rather than just being a name from a show not everyone knows with other personality traits.

EDIT: Although it's not terribly descriptive of the trope, either, and STILL makes one wonder before reading the description, "What's the difference between this and Deadpan Snarker?"
Rosque
11:41:42 PM Sep 19th 2010
This is NOT a good trope name change. It changes something people already knew or could easily find out into something easily confusable with other tropes and not descriptive of the trope itself. Really, Daria is the quintessential example, why change it if it just makes things more difficult?
VeronicaWakefield
07:04:18 PM Sep 9th 2012
(in case anyone else asks the same question)

Because the TV show Daria has been off the air for a decade, the show had limited market penetration even when it was on, that is not the only character in history to have that name, and that is not the intended Daria's only personality trait.

It is TV Tropes policy to avoid naming tropes after characters whenever possible, for these and other reasons.

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