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TheGunheart
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01:28:00 PM Aug 30th 2012
edited by TheGunheart
Does Foxface really count as an "Alas, Poor Villain, at least in the movie? The film version only really seems to vilify the careers and their allies. She's never really presented as anything other than "neutral".
TheJessterLeVar
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05:38:38 AM May 13th 2012
edited by TheJessterLeVar
I have some issues with the Cinna entry in the "Characters" section of this, mostly pertaining to the use of the trope Meaningful Name. While it is true that Cinna was an opponent of Sulla's and that Sulla was a dictator, the way the information is presented is horribly misleading. For one, Cinna did not oppose Sulla because he was a dictator, Cinna opposed the idea of republican government after he was removed from the office of consul for the laws he passed opposing the aristocracy and republican government. During his exile, he gathered up an army of non-Romans, invaded Rome, and when he was allowed back into the city, along with Gaius Marius, on the condition they not kill anyone, they started to kill people (though, Cinna only killed a couple of his political opponents, while Cinna's friend killed quite a few of his political opponents). Then Cinna killed the soldiers of his buddy Gaius Marius to stop their violence and he and Marius were elected consul. Marius died a few days in and Cinna ruled without opposition. Then, when Sulla was coming back from war in the east, Cinna canceled elections saying he was going to be consul for an extra year and prepared for war with Sulla, but was killed by a mutiny of his own troops. Then Sulla came back, was named dictator for life, he altered the Roman constitution to better suit the republican government it had and better incorporate all the Italians who had been given citizenship, and then stepped down from his post a year before he died - he was dictator for about a year. Cinna was hardly a good guy and did not oppose a dictator, but supported one in the form of Gaius Marius and was one (given that he canceled elections and named himself consul).

Also, Cinna does not sound like cinders, since it's pronounced with a hard "c" (i.e. it sounds like Kinna) in Classical Latin and with a "ch" sound in Ecclesiastical Latin (i.e. it sounds like Chinna). I suppose you could say that Panem decided to just ignore proper pronounciation, but since Collins doesn't give us any reason to believe this, I don't see why we should.

So, I propose we get rid of the Meaningful Name trope for Cinna. There's no reason to continue trashing good Sulla's reputation and no reason to promote the mispronounciation of Latin.
TheJessterLeVar
05:39:15 AM May 13th 2012
Also, Coriolanus the Shakespeare character did not want to maintain a totalitarian state. The totalitarian state is a product of the twentieth century. He wanted to maintain an aristocratic state. Also, his wicked deeds were the result of two other scheming aristocrats who wanted to manipulate popular opinion to get rid of the virtuous Coriolanus. I don't see how that relates to Coriolanus Snow
Stoogebie
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08:26:00 PM Nov 17th 2011
Can we stop listing Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass? Technically, I believe this trope is for characters who are genuinely "morons", but they can still pull off badassery. I think these two would fall under Obfuscating Stupidity.
Wackd
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06:21:28 PM Oct 4th 2011
edited by Wackd
Double post, my bad.
Wackd
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06:21:27 PM Oct 4th 2011
Can we split the page into sections along book lines? I want to read the tropes for the first book but the page is a virtual land mine of spoilers for books two and three.
Stoogebie
08:18:30 PM Nov 17th 2011
I'm with you on that one. Also, someone has to fix the character sheet, it's really disorganized. Maybe we organize them as such:
  • Main Characters
  • Supporting Cast from The Hunger Games
  • Supporting Cast from Catching Fire
  • Supporting Cast from Mockingjay
Something like that. Anyways, the books so full of crazy plot twists that doing these trope pages are so maddening! We'll have to work on something.
keelzbunny
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05:30:55 PM Aug 30th 2011
I removed this:
  • There is no such thing as "synthetic" flame. From the description, it seems that a more appropriate word would be "imitation."
Due to the fact that the book outright states it was like a synthetic flame. Was attempted to be justified by stating that fire was already an artificial substance, but it isn't always. Fires can be started via lighting, among other ways.
Dawnwing
08:23:28 PM Aug 30th 2011
edited by Dawnwing
I agree that that line should be removed. It reads as if they're trying to contradict what the book says for really no reason, since, as pointed out, the book specifically calls it "synthetic", so it's a bit strange to say "there's no synthetic flame". We might not necessarily know what they mean, but as stated in someone's edit note, remember that this is a futuristic setting, and koweja had a good point that it could be just a product name or something.
FoolsEditAccount
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05:45:19 PM Aug 28th 2011
I put this back in:

  • There is no such thing as "synthetic" flame. From the description, it seems that a more appropriate word would be "imitation."

The reason it was taken out was because the editor thought that "synthetic" was a synonym for "imitation", but it isn't. Am I missing something here?
koweja
07:11:51 PM Aug 28th 2011
edited by koweja
Merriam Webster lists it as one.

Besides, "synthetic flame" could just be a product/brand name or one of the many in-universe neologism that the capital has for things.
FoolsEditAccount
01:48:45 AM Aug 29th 2011
...Uh, what? That link you just gave does not give any indication that it's a synonym for "imitation". Its synonyms are "artifical", "man-made", and "non-natural". It lists "imitation" as a "related word", yes, but synonyms and related words are not the same thing.
FoolsEditAccount
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10:03:57 AM Jun 5th 2011
I removed this:

  • Guys Smash, Girls Shoot: In the first book, Katniss and Peeta describe their skills as archery and wrestling, respectively. This is averted hard, once the games start.

How is this averted, exactly? It's played completely straight. Clove uses throwing knives, Rue uses a slingshot, and Glimmer and Katniss use a bow. On the male side, Cato uses a sword, Marvel uses a spear, Thresh uses brute force, and Peeta uses a combat knife.
Windsong12
06:16:40 AM Jun 12th 2011
You could put it back, but remove the averted part.
FoolsEditAccount
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04:55:35 PM May 26th 2011
Why was the Let's Read removed? Simply because it's critical? Is it really fair to delete something just because you don't agree with its viewpoints?
archaicchaos
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05:59:52 PM Jan 12th 2011
edited by archaicchaos
A user called fairywaif did quite a big edit on the main page on Dec. 16, and while much of it was useful, they deleted two fairly un-nattery lines and I'm curious as to why, because I don't see what was wrong with them:

  • Abusive Parents: When Peeta purposely burned the bread in the oven so he could give it to a starving Katniss he also took a slap in the face from his mother. Katniss, whose parents never hit her, can't imagine what this is like. It's implied his father doesn't really care for him much either.

and

Can someone enlighten me on what was wrong with these lines, and does it go against etiquette to put them back?

Aggy
06:32:27 AM Mar 20th 2011
For Abusive Parents: A slap to the face seems more like punishment than repeated child abuse (at least in a world where you're dirt-poor and starving it probably would be). He does apparently grow up to be just fine and never mentions any child abuse or neglect issues. That's more of a Troper's issue of "it's not completely played straight."

For What Happened to the Mouse?: It's stated in the last novel that Cinna is executed on live television.
FoolsEditAccount
12:24:49 PM Mar 21st 2011
Actually no, it's never said that Cinna was executed on live television. You must be thinking of Portia and Peeta's prep team.
ChibiSebastian
01:13:51 AM Jun 22nd 2012
edited by ChibiSebastian
Wasn't Cinna beaten to death in front of Katniss before the quarter quell?
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