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MithrandirOlorin
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06:13:49 AM Oct 20th 2012
"There are claims that The Illuminati have secretly orchestrated the French Revolution despite their official disbandment years earlier. "

The idea that being "officially Disbanded" makes this claim absurd is absurd to me. Disbanded or not NONE of the groups members where arrested for their treason, and it is known it went on to infiltrate over societies including ones in France.
EJO1
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03:22:17 AM Aug 6th 2012
"* People's Republic of Tyranny: What the revolution ultimately resulted in."

It did result in the trope, actually. After the revolution was over, it resulted in the banning of religious holidays and instead instituting new secular holidays, all the priests and christians were persecuted by the "liberated" French who pretty much adopted Atheism, and the people started turning on each other like starved wolves, with one particular French woman even declaring herself to be the "axe." That's not even getting into the mess Robespierre caused alone.

The tyrannical anarchism and chaos was even depicted in at least one piece of literature at the time, Charles Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities, and the French Revolution was at least in part what inspired Bane's Communist-style revolution in The Dark Knight Rises. Its similarities are more than extensive enough to be kept in.
Tambov333
03:55:21 AM Aug 6th 2012
All of them , including your entry, are heavy reactionairy Author Tracts.
EJO1
04:13:45 AM Aug 7th 2012
No, if I was doing a heavy reactionairy Author Tract, I'd essentially be inciting a mob (like how Gaston essentially riled up that mob in Beauty and the Beast, or how Al Sharpton incited a lynch mob during the Crown Heights riots). What I'm citing are pure genuine facts. It's a fact that Robespierre instigated several massacres during his reign of terror. It's also a fact that Charles Dickens wrote A Tale of Two Cities as a direct result of the French Revolution, and that Christian Bale used A Tale of Two Cities as the inspiration for The Dark Knight Rises. It's also a fact that the French during the time after the Revolution, like the Communists, persecuted any and all religion heavily and replaced any religious institutions with secular holidays directly relating to the Revolution. And there actually was a woman who referred herself to the Axe (These informations can be found in the book "Demonic," congregationalists at a church, and some places on the web that focus on history).
ATC
10:58:33 AM Oct 3rd 2012
Okay, EJO 1, what you should do here is directly cite your sources in your entry so it can be verified. Otherwise, we can't tell certain facts from Author Tracts.
laCommunarde
11:31:43 AM Dec 20th 2013
Hate to break it to you, but Dickens based A Tale of Two Cities on Carlyle's work which used the epithet "the sea green" to describe Robespierre. This was the same Carlyle who wrote that horrible (even for its time!) tract that stated that black people are so much less capable of being intellectual than whites, in response to Britain trying to stop being involved in the slave trade, and was found to have faked his studies and just gone on a ideological bent. Also, Dickens wrote fiction as a response to his time and place and wasn't relying on any first-hand material. Qualified source, neither of them are.

Also, Robespierre wasn't an atheist, as evidenced by the fact that he was one of the Jacobins who supported the Fete de l'Etre Supreme, and got the position of speaker at the festival. This was a factor in that argument between the Jacobins and the Enrages/proto-Socialists/Cult of Reason members, namely Fouche, Romme and Collot d'Herbois, who were atheist and were trying to spread atheism around the countryside, in some cases very badly. But Robespierre was not behind this. We have Fouche's own words and several biographies on Fouche stating as much, and well as JM Thompson's and Mathias' biography of Robespierre.

Religious holidays were not banned. It was required (as of the Civil Constitution of the Clergy of 1791) that priests make an oath to uphold the Constitution and then that French citizens go see priests who had made an oath to uphold the Rights of Man and the Citizen and Constitution and French country, and not see priests who had not. It was required that everyone celebrate the national holidays, but they were not banned from celebrating religious holidays. We have JP Grosse Fair Shares for All: Jacobin Egalitarianism in Practice" stating that from doing research of actual town and county census and other first-hand data.

jate88
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03:49:12 AM Dec 5th 2011
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an arbitary non-income-based tax system that meant many people's tax demand was greater than their entire income.

I've read that the French government was in need of money but the aristocrats didn't want to lend them any money out of fear of not being paid back. So the government invented new taxes and official positions to collect those taxes and made money by selling them. This way aristocrats could be sure they'd get some of their money back by pocketing a portion of the taxes. The problem was these were often sold alongside exemptions from taxes and the only the rich could afford them. Leaving most of the tax burden on the backs of the peasantry.
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