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03:25:12 PM Dec 28th 2014
Should Toa Empire from BIONICLE franchise added here?
01:24:33 AM Dec 29th 2014
Well, does it fit the trope?
04:01:38 AM Dec 30th 2014
It's abusive towards anyone who doesn't agree with them or fights their invasions, believes that Toa are better off defending their subjects by forcing them under their control, and two other evil organizations ended teaming up against them. Here's the link: I'm sure it does, but I don't know how to add examples and I'm unsure if I need permission to add one, first.
07:57:04 AM Dec 30th 2014
That does seem like an evil empire, so I'd say it fits.
03:04:06 AM Apr 21st 2014
Regarding the entry about the Principality of Zeon, technically war was inevitable even before the Zabi took over, seeing as the Federation immediately imposed economic sanctions on Side 3 when it became an independent republic.
09:38:34 PM Dec 1st 2012
Normally these kinds of Tropes don't apply to Professional Wrestling, but at least 1 Power Stable became large and Dominant enough to be a kind of Empire, the nWo. It was indeed sometimes called "Hogan's Empire" like on one Nitro leading up to Halloween Havoc 98, Larry said "Hogan's Empire is Crumbling" since things weren't going that well for Hogan that day. I think this would at least be a good place to play with the empire related Tropes, not in it's Birth when it was a more normal Power Stable, but starting when Eric Bischoff is reveled to be with them.

Standard Evil Empire Hierarchy

The Emperor is Hollywood Hulk Hogan obviously.

The Oddball would have to be the Manager types other others who didn't Wrestle. Eric being most important, but Rodman the Oddest. Also Ted and Liz

The Right Hand would be whoever served as the Enforcer, The Outsiders, Savage, The Disciple and Stevie Ray all had shades of this at times.

The General I guess whoever the heir Apparent was, being both most likely to become The Starscream. The Giant after 96 WW 3, Savage, Hall after 97 WW 3, Bret Hart and Scott Steiner all served this function at times.

The Guard would be The Muscle perhaps, The Giant and Kevin Nash, but also Vincent and Scott Steiner at times.

As far the Evil Counterpart goes, I'd rather call various nWo enemies the Good Counterparts

DDP was definietly the Good Counterpart to Savage, and Kimberly to Elizabeth. The Giant to Nash when he was on WCW's side. Rick to Scott Steiner, Booker T to Stevie Ray and Kevin Nash to Scott Hall after their respective Tag Teams broke up in 98. And Sting to Bret leading up to Halloween Havoc 98.

Piper, J.J. Dillon and Flair at all served as Good Counterparts to Eric Bischoff.

Piper was to Hogan in the sense of how the Heel and Face dynamic had been inverted from their earlier WCW feud.

Savage and Warrior both where to Hogan due to how they had each been Lancers to Hogan during his time as a Top Face/

And Sting because he was the Franchise for WCW like how Hogan had been the Franchise for WWF. (But I'd consider the true WWF counterpart to Sting's Legacy with WCW to be The Undertaker.)

The nWo even became a Vestigial Empire after Uncensored 99 and Spring Stampede 99.
10:54:04 AM Jan 17th 2012
There is some ambiguity about this. One concept is The Federation is The Republic on a gigantic scale and The Empire is either The Kingdom or a Police State on a gigantic scale. The other is that The Federation is good-to-neutral and The Empire is evil-to-neutral. Those two concepts overlap but are not the same.
06:53:17 AM Feb 2nd 2011
I've got an idea for a sub-trope: the Imperium, named after Warhammer 40k's Imperium. In a nutshell, the Empire is bad, the Imperium is worse.
07:37:20 AM Feb 2nd 2011
Can you think of more then one example to justify making an entire new page?
09:03:43 AM Feb 2nd 2011
Yeah, generally the wiki frowns upon additional pages that are just The Same but More of an existing trope.
12:13:02 AM Feb 3rd 2011
edited by Serocco
Actually, Imperium is a Latin word which, in a broad sense, translates as 'power'. In ancient Rome, imperium could be used as a term indicating a characteristic of people, the wealth held in items, or the measure of formal power they had. Maybe, instead of listing it as an even bigger and more amoral/immoral empire, we could have some sorta trope that identifies the main superpowers in a show? Like, for Warhammer, that would be the Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau Empire, Necrons and Tyranids, while Star Trek overall has the Federation, the Klingon Empire, the Romulan Empire, the Dominion, the Borg and so forth.
08:29:37 PM Feb 4th 2011
Actually, we could add Imperium as a 'second' type of The Empire, where it's genocidal, theocratic, racist and zealous, topped off in that, instead of conquering, they eradicate. Sound fairer?
10:51:13 AM Jan 17th 2012
Except not all Imperium's are like that. In Dune it has tendencies toward that but gives an impression of world-weariness rather then zeal. In Traveller none of the three Imperiums were like that though all committed atrocities from time to time.
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