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Hammerworld
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06:53:17 AM Feb 2nd 2011
I've got an idea for a sub-trope: the Imperium, named after Warhammer 40k's Imperium. In a nutshell, the Empire is bad, the Imperium is worse.
starspawn17
07:37:20 AM Feb 2nd 2011
Can you think of more then one example to justify making an entire new page?
MrDeath
09:03:43 AM Feb 2nd 2011
Yeah, generally the wiki frowns upon additional pages that are just The Same But More of an existing trope.
Serocco
12:13:02 AM Feb 3rd 2011
edited by Serocco
Actually, Imperium is a Latin word which, in a broad sense, translates as 'power'. In ancient Rome, imperium could be used as a term indicating a characteristic of people, the wealth held in items, or the measure of formal power they had. Maybe, instead of listing it as an even bigger and more amoral/immoral empire, we could have some sorta trope that identifies the main superpowers in a show? Like, for Warhammer, that would be the Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau Empire, Necrons and Tyranids, while Star Trek overall has the Federation, the Klingon Empire, the Romulan Empire, the Dominion, the Borg and so forth.
Serocco
08:29:37 PM Feb 4th 2011
Actually, we could add Imperium as a 'second' type of The Empire, where it's genocidal, theocratic, racist and zealous, topped off in that, instead of conquering, they eradicate. Sound fairer?
jatay3
10:51:13 AM Jan 17th 2012
Except not all Imperium's are like that. In Dune it has tendencies toward that but gives an impression of world-weariness rather then zeal. In Traveller none of the three Imperiums were like that though all committed atrocities from time to time.
jatay3
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10:54:04 AM Jan 17th 2012
There is some ambiguity about this. One concept is The Federation is The Republic on a gigantic scale and The Empire is either The Kingdom or a Police State on a gigantic scale. The other is that The Federation is good-to-neutral and The Empire is evil-to-neutral. Those two concepts overlap but are not the same.
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