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Nithael
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01:53:18 PM Apr 13th 2010
Just to end the little Wallbanger argument without flooding the Edit reasons:

I deleted the wallbanger entry the first time because:

a) as you said, it was something you could only see for a few seconds, so I didn't think that you could say WB about something like that. And it was not "really" discussed, apart from you adding it, somebody removing it because he didn't see it, and you putting it with more clarifications. But yes, YMMV, so I shouldn't have removed it completely like that without at least putting it there. Sorry for that.

b) the second part was not only written with "This troper", but had a perfectly nice explanation (there's not a lot he could have done besides that, and IIRC he didn't voluntarily killed the ninjas and blew up their dojo) which was already given and discussed in the It Just Bugs Me page.

So Yeah. I removed that not because I was a rabid fanboy, but because I thought it didn't really fit while I wouldn't have really minded about others (which could still be explained with Fan Wank).

Once again, I don't really care and won't edit war about it, but I just wanted to clarify the situation and not worsen it. But sorry for that anyway, and also if I don't make sense. So if you want to discuss it here...
Darkmane
03:29:07 PM Apr 13th 2010
edited by Darkmane
It's cool; looks like I made a big boo-boo out of it too; sorry. For YMMV tropes in a work (the way I've usually seen here and like you said just now) usually a YMMV is provided with the trope instead of deleting it completely, that way it's recognized to exist - it's just that people's opinions do vary.

I deleted the second part's "this troper" stuff and kept the rest, because I think it kinda fits; although I admit YMMV as to whether we should move it over to Idiot Ball; maybe it fits better. However, combine this with the ending of Begins, with the whole "I don't have to save you" crap and it borderline turns Bruce's Thou Shall Not Kill into a Broken Aesop. Was that discussed here?

Nithael
12:24:17 AM Apr 14th 2010
Yeah, that was what I was thinking about. It's been discussed in the IJBM page, but I think Bruce suddenly developing a Thou Shalt Not Kill code strong enough that the Joker based his entire plan on it has to count for something.
174.52.208.184
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10:36:32 AM May 14th 2010
I'm feeling kind of leery about the Unfortunate Implications. Races are kind of hard to differentiate in much of comic book art, but Ra's Al Ghul, despite the name, is pretty much race-unspecified. To my eye he seems to be drawn as a Caucasian, but backstory suggests he's Arabic, and his father (Sensei) may be Asian. So his race is pretty much up to artistic license. To me, the fan backlash against Ken Watanabe was simply because he looks absolutely nothing like the Ra's of the comics. He seemed to be an entirely different character that they just gave the name of Ra's Al Ghul for kicks. Liam Neeson fit the image much better. That's all. I don't think implied racism need come into it.
66.214.245.155
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04:47:24 PM Jun 3rd 2010
edited by CoreDumpError
I'm confused about the multiple references to "ambiguity" regarding Harvey Dent's death at the end of The Dark Knight. We see him lying on his back, not breathing, after a multi-story fall. Batman turns his head to show his "clean" side and Harvey is completely limp. The city even holds a memorial service for him ("Not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed."). How is his death ambiguous?
neoYTPism
03:13:32 PM Sep 27th 2010
edited by neoYTPism
It's still plausible that Dent may have been temporarily "dead" (or at least unconscious, though that alone wouldn't explain the apparent lack of breathing) in that scene, that someone else may have resuscitated him after Batman and Gordon left, and that Dent may have faked his death and/or been unable to get the word out that he was alive. Not a likely scenario, but somewhat plausible.
Korbl
09:01:54 PM Jan 31st 2011
Ras possessing Harvey's body? That'd be... rather interesting.
75.130.174.113
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06:25:06 PM Aug 12th 2010
Does this page need so many Star Wars references? The idea that anything in these movies was a reference to one of those shitty prequels just because Liam Neeson was in it is ridiculous.
neoYTPism
03:11:08 PM Sep 27th 2010
It's just that so many tropes involving Ducard are so much more noticeable given the actor playing him. To those of us who watched The Phantom Menace and recall it reasonably well, it's hard to NOT be reminded of Qui-Gon Jinn by Ducard scenes, especially the earlier ones.
takashi.0
02:37:22 PM Feb 3rd 2011
Plus, Not all of us think the prequels are "Shitty."
Scaliatron
01:52:47 AM Feb 20th 2011
The point is, it's only an Actor Allusion if it's on purpose. Just because parts of Batman Begins remind you of your little Star Wars movies doesn't mean Christopher Nolan intended it that way.
98.226.199.35
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06:24:23 PM Aug 14th 2010
Ok, who removed the Joker from Complete Monster and why?
ThatKidInTheBasement
11:11:37 PM Aug 17th 2010
Never mind, I didn't check carefully.
nwtroper88
04:17:35 PM Sep 2nd 2011
edited by nwtroper88
Removing Joker from the Complete Monster entry? That's hilarious.
69.134.201.117
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10:22:24 AM Sep 29th 2010
can we make a laconic wiki entry for the dark knight, something like "the greatest episode of law & order that was never made"?
MacPhisto
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11:58:54 AM Oct 27th 2010
seriously, it is ridiculous how long the page is

we NEED to split it into Batman Begins and The Dark Knight
frodobatmanvader
07:32:03 AM Nov 12th 2010
I would second that.
harkko
09:02:32 AM Dec 18th 2010
edited by harkko
MacPhisto
12:58:46 PM Dec 25th 2010
well how do we get this ball rolling?
LargoQuagmire
10:20:40 PM Jan 30th 2011
I dunno, but it needs to be done before Dark Knight Rises starts gaining speculative tropes. Once those start coming out, it'll take a while to split everything up.
neoYTPism
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05:47:13 PM Dec 29th 2010
... for the High Octane Nightmare Fuel section for this work, I replaced the image of the arguably-goofy "Scarecrow" with the image of the severely disfigured Harvey Dent holding a gun to someone's head and a coin in the other hand. It got reverted because I didn't seek consensus first.

I figured it was pretty obvious that the latter is more clearly an example, but I should have asked for others' input first. What say the rest of you?
NothingButJeans
12:22:58 AM Mar 13th 2011
I agree. Two-Face was always a scary concept, he's just always been implemented poorly in film. So yeah, I agree.
LargoQuagmire
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08:38:22 PM Jan 23rd 2011
Is there a way to get rid of the Fanfic Recs button at the top of this page? It no longer links to a Fanfic Rec page, but rather the main Fanfic Rec hub.
CrypticMirror
02:11:13 PM Jan 2nd 2012
There was a screwed up bit of redirect code that caused that. It's fixed now.
takashi.0
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02:37:59 PM Feb 3rd 2011
Holy-

BANE is in the third movie?! Why didn't I hear about this?
MrDeath
08:07:25 AM Feb 4th 2011
Apparently you have.
NothingButJeans
12:23:39 AM Mar 13th 2011
Since the third movie is apparently the final one, it makes sense that Bane be the villain.
Orion751
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08:17:24 AM Jun 23rd 2011
Would Batman Begins qualify for Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot or a related trope? Bruce Wayne is a ninja and a superhero.
darkclaw
11:34:02 AM Jan 8th 2012
I don't think so; as being a ninja and superhero seems more X Meets Y but with character concepts (since there are only two concepts). But that's just my opinion.
TheTannedOtaku
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12:39:10 PM Jan 2nd 2012
What happened to the Fanfic Rec. page?
CrypticMirror
02:02:56 PM Jan 2nd 2012
edited by CrypticMirror
From what I can tell it was supposed to be a redirect to the main Batman fanfic recs page, but someone screwed up the redirect code. I've fixed it now, so it should take you to the page.
darkclaw
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11:40:14 AM Jan 8th 2012
edited by darkclaw
EDIT: Sorry for this post; my concern was taken care of already while I posted this (darn irony). If mods see this; or anyone knows how to delete my post; please do so.
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