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06:55:17 AM Jul 18th 2014
When the whole Fail Index was diplomatically renamed 'Artistic License', everyone overlooked that a critical research failure can be detrimental to the public and individuals. The blow should not be softened when tropes have been perpetuated enough in media exposure to enter this category. This is the point where Artistic License should be revoked and creators, and even the entire industry, should held accountable by critics and by the public. And that does mean us.
07:12:39 AM Jul 18th 2014
If only we had a Critical Research Failure page where we could document particularly bad examples where Artistic License doesn't quite cut it.
12:50:28 AM Nov 13th 2013
Restoring Gaslighting because there's proof (even in its own real life section, see the Tumblr meme about gaslighting people) that some people, due to comedic depictions of it, see it as a funny or at least harmless prank.
06:08:39 PM Nov 15th 2013
If it's done to sane people without the intent to drive them crazy and more of a "ha ha, I must be imagining things" thing, it's not out to drive back abused children into their shells.
07:15:23 AM Nov 12th 2013
Did we really need an entry for child pornography? Those articles really don't need any more exposure, on top of it being pretty gross and I hope tropers know that child abuse is child abuse.
12:46:43 AM Nov 13th 2013
edited by
I added lolicon and shotacon to the index not to expose those entries but to explain why the way those works portray child abuse is dangerous. Unfortunately, I've seen anime fans cooing over how "cute" lolicon and moe are, how cute little girls are, and that's why I think the entry belonged here - to explain just HOW hurtful and gross and damaging they are in reality
06:10:33 PM Nov 15th 2013
edited by
Moe is often unsexualized in an 'aww' sort of way, not a "I want to hump it" sort of way. Yeah, I know, "anime fans", but I'm pretty sure most anime fans know that actually creeping on a little girl in real life (that looks/acts nothing like a cartoon girl does) is disgusting.

I can't believe I'm defending moe.
10:23:48 PM Aug 2nd 2013
With much consideration of all the previous Edit War, adding Babies Make Everything Better because this belief HAS led to unwanted children and to spousal and child abuse, some of it resulting in death, as well as Death by Childbirth for mothers.
06:20:03 AM May 23rd 2012
Babies Makes Everything Better has been added and deleted. I'm not involved in those posts and deletions, just saying that there are couples who think having a child will solve their problems.
01:27:29 PM May 23rd 2012
I am the one who added Babies Make Everything Better and I agree that there ARE couples who think this, hell, there are entire cultures that think this *cough cough the global south cough cough,* and it IS a belief propogated by the media and culture, which IMO earns it a place on this index.

I don't want to re-add it because I don't want edit war.
05:53:06 AM Feb 14th 2012
Not sure where this should go, but for some tropes, when I try to view the page history, I'm instead led to that of the site's homepage. Anyone mind telling me what that's all about?
10:26:32 PM Feb 2nd 2012
Bad edit reasons and agenda-based cuts.

"Trimming" is NOT a good enough edit reason for wholesale removal of tropes that ARE due to media involvement. The smoking tropes for example are due to media involvement. Artistic License - Law can lead to injury by police and other prisoners and ruin your life (and possibly lead to your execution or imprisonment!) if you use it rather than actual legal advice. Even Babies Make Everything Better is in part due to media - people being convinced that babies mean happiness and health.

All of these trims are contested and there is NO REASON to "trim" a legitimate index with legitimate entries, especially out of one's personal biases.
05:08:59 AM Apr 26th 2012
edited by BingCrosby
See my edit response.

And I'm sorry for my terrible punctuation and spelling mistakes, i'm typing on a tablet and english is my second language.
04:59:22 PM Jul 14th 2011
re:cut That's not a good reason for a cutlisting. Trope repair shop would be more suitable.

I would like to address Jackerel. I agree with your recent cuts, but your failure to explain clearly and concisely is what creates so much friction. Don't just go "SIGH".

Poor Communication Kills, Macho Masochism, Anti-Intellectualism, Babies Make Everything Better are stupid things that people do independent of media.

I'm not sure about Steel Eardrums.

A case could be made that people are actually duped by Magic Plastic Surgery.
08:16:32 PM Jul 26th 2011
I'm going to contest Bed Trick (it's often portrayed as dastardly when not comedic) and Babies Make Everything Better (people believe this outside of media).
03:11:50 PM Jul 27th 2011
Flaming ME for entries I didn't post (another user did, at best I edited them) is so not cool.
08:01:15 PM Jul 27th 2011
I'm not flaming you? Those posts were for last year's incident.
10:25:42 PM Feb 2nd 2012
edited by AGroupie
edit posted to wrong place
05:39:07 PM Oct 7th 2010
edited by JackMackerel
Placed here for posterity.

Look, I'm not the one who tried to paint me as a troll, a wiki vandal, and a flamer when you posted on Trope Repair Shop trying to settle a so-called "edit war", which consisted of some edits I made and some reverts of said edits. Hell, the mods found nothing wrong, and the description was changed. If I was actually trolling, I'd be banned by now, but your bizarre definition of "trolling" is, apparently, making edits.

You keep trying to claim I'm some sort of hideous troll flaming everyone and deleting examples for no reason even though I gave a very clear reason why I deleted those examples, and did not revert them when someone gave a counter-point. Did I bitch about my edits being reverted? Try and dig up some evidence next time before you try to paint me as a troll, or at least read my edits. Everyone else is being civil and you're referring to me as "an asshole" because I removed some stuff from your favorite page.
01:01:26 PM Sep 25th 2010
I don't know where people thought I was trolling/flaming, but I didn't mean to remove Cool Clear Water. I think it's only certain places in the world where clear water indicates chemicals in it that don't make it safe to drink.
10:00:14 AM Sep 25th 2010
Since the page is locked, leaving this here for someone to copy to the page later.

Add to the Eletric Slide line, after "Always assume a power line is live.", "People who work with high-voltage power lines use special techniques to avoid getting killed or hurt."
10:00:55 AM Sep 25th 2010
I mean Electric Slide above, sorry for the typo.
11:23:23 AM Sep 24th 2010
edited by FastEddie
Regarding edit war:

The description is vague, which is causing some friction. First, work out a crystal clear description.

The brainstorming to do that will take place in the Repair Shop thread. Click the link at the top of the article.

Temporary lock applied until this fundamental item is nailed down.

Later: Lock lifted. See this discussion for resolution .
07:28:37 AM Sep 18th 2010
Concealment Equals Cover maybe? I don't know if enough people ever get into gunfights for their choice in things to hide behind to ever become an issue.
09:14:59 AM Sep 18th 2010
Seeing as this trope has some rather unlikely situations included here, this is a valid addition. I will add it.

It can be argued that the most unlikely situations are where this trope is the most dangerous, to be honest: most of us know what to do and where TV would lead us to death or injury in common situations, but if you're suddenly in a disaster or someone opens fire next to you, whether you will know what to do or will you react based on what you THINK you know from TV...
08:21:26 PM Aug 29th 2010
Removed Drunk Driver, there was a note that it's more often Averted than played straight in real life, and the trope is about how drunk drivers in TV always end up in a crash. If there's a reason that it should be in this index it needs to be explained better.
10:53:34 PM Aug 29th 2010
The reason is actually due to the aversion, in an odd relationship: people believe, that since all (or almost all) drunk drives on TV end up crashed or arrested, that when this doesn't happen in Real Life that it's somehow safe, rather than that they could cause others to crash avoiding them, they could run into a pedestrian or cyclist (whereas trees and ditches are more common in TV).

Also, the TV-version of drunk driving tends to depict local roads and side roads, where, ironically, a drunk driver is the *safest* because of slower speeds and knowledge of the area.... rather than freeways where higher speeds + slower reaction time + concrete and other cars + monotony effect = one slip and the result is fatal or A Fate Worse Than Death.
07:35:12 AM Aug 11th 2010
edited by joeyjojo
should Hollywood Old be here? i mean sure it's it makes a good augment that people are harm but only a vague social sense rather than any direct physical harm cause by people believing in it. if we include this we might as well add all the Unfortunate Implications tropes.
08:38:20 AM Aug 14th 2010
It should because it, unlike other Unfortunate Implications tropes (aside from a few) has a direct impact on healthcare and whether people seek healthcare or not, as well as on their emotional status and how others treat them. e.g. someone writes off pain or an easily treatable condition as "just getting old," or a doctor sees an older patient as one whose complaints can be attributed to age.

It's basically here for the same reason the Hollywood beauty tropes are: the social harm results in physical harm from neglect and mental harm from abuse.
12:47:25 PM Aug 14th 2010
edited by joeyjojo
Okay with say Hollywood Thin you got a unrealistic body image that impressionable viewers may harm themselves in trying to reach it. it is a clear case of cause and effect. fair enough.

With hollywoodOld a younger woman playing an older character... so people over 60 stop seeking medical treatment for health problems? sorry i'm not seeing any cause and effect.

Hollywood Old is about casting young, it's not about treating the elderly as over the hill drains on society. yes there is a an implicit snub, but it's indirect emotional damage.
09:52:25 PM Aug 14th 2010
Fair enough, I'll remove it. I don't think I was the one who put it in in the first place though.
02:40:06 PM Jun 13th 2010
Does anyone know a better trope than Unsuspectingly Soused to use to cover that the comedy trope of sneaking someone alcohol/drugs/poison isn't some big laugh IRL?
10:37:26 PM Mar 16th 2011
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