Main Summon Bigger Fish Discussion

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02:22:39 AM Apr 28th 2014
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Many examples as of April 2014 are not relevant. The trope is about summoning a bigger menace TO YOU to combat a lesser one, hoping that you can cope once the dust settles. Too many examples are about summoning something more powerful than the lesser menace, but that is no danger to you afterwards.

For example, a D&D wizard that summons a dragon normally is NOT "summoning a bigger fish", as the dragon is entirely under his control. However, summoning a Bebilith as per the example, where the Bebilith can easily turn on the wizard and his allies, does follow the trope.

I suggest a culling.
12:40:08 PM Mar 4th 2013
So just where is proof as to the claim in the comic entry that Dormammu and Umar are the sole survivors of the Faltine after killing the rest? Because that completely contradicts all the material that says almost completely the opposite. They were refugees who ran from the rest for being perversely interested in matter (since their realm is otherwise formless energy with almost no matter to speak of) and set up shop in the Dark Dimension with the organic bodies that they built once they got their fill of matter and became entities in their own right for entreaties.
08:36:11 AM Jul 28th 2012
edited by Poptard
Should we find an image? One image comes to mind, in Mass Effect 3 of the Reaper vs. Kalros the thresher maw. Maybe a combination image of this and this.
05:35:30 AM Apr 27th 2014
We should definitely find a better image than a current one. It illustrates the size difference between Kong and Zilla, and is not really an example of the trope.
05:27:04 AM Apr 28th 2014
Godzilla is not just bigger in the picture, but also seems even more Obviously Evil and threatening.
08:32:37 AM May 26th 2014
Which is exactly the opposite of what the trope is about (where the "bigger fish" is on the heroes' side). How about using the Trope Namer? [1]
11:36:27 AM May 26th 2014
Actually, no, the "bigger fish" is NOT on the heroes' side. The big monster is basically on his own side, the heroes try go goad him into fighting the smaller monster, but with the potential problem of dealing with the big monster on the loose afterwards. As the trope says, "Sadly, the odds of this making things worse is 50/50 — Evil Is Not a Toy, after all— but then again, once you've crossed the Godzilla Threshold, anything is a viable option." Let's say that the Avengers are fighting against a villain and Henry Pym grows to his giant size to defeat him: that wouldn't be this trope. This trope is not about size, but about a solution that goes from bad to worse.
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