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CaptainCrawdad
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09:41:03 PM Nov 14th 2010
I removed the following text from the trope description:

On the other hand, it's also common for those overly fond of the fandom to defensively claim that the author didn't mean it when he damn well did. They'll rant and rave about "Political Correctness Gone Mad", ending in the Call of the Fanboy: "Get Over It!". Of course, they will rarely be a member of the group being depicted. See HP Lovecraft for a popular example (put THIS little ditty in your pipe and smoke it...).

Beyond this, it can be very hard to tell in fantasy settings, as authors base "races" on medieval legends. Now, what distinguishes medieval people? If you guessed anti-Semitism, you are correct.

To complicate things even further, Jews love poking fun at themselves, and are very prominent in the entertainment industry.

The first section is just a lot of extra words for what the opening paragraph already says: that we often don't know whether the trope is or isn't intentional. The other sections focus on Jews, which has confused tropers in the past into thinking that this trope is just about Jews, or about any Jews in a sci-fi setting.
219.78.22.148
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01:04:31 AM Dec 22nd 2010
I don't get the definition of a Space Jew. Isn't it the same as fantasy culture counterpart? Is it only applies to only jewish attributes? No Space Americans, Space British, or Space Anything? How is this not similar to Space Roman trope? This trope seems really ambiguous...
CaptainCrawdad
08:49:48 AM Dec 22nd 2010
edited by CaptainCrawdad
"The Space Jew is an alien, monster, or other nonhuman creature that embodies the worst aspects of a real-world racial stereotype, whether Jewish, black, Asian, white or whatever."

Fantasy Counterpart Culture is about fictional cultures that are heavily based on real cultures. Space Jews is about nonhuman characters based on stereotypes of a particular race.
DoktorvonEurotrash
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05:39:38 AM Mar 5th 2011
I have half a mind to remove the Decapodians from the Futurama example. Apart from Dr. Zoidberg (who is just one individual, and thus not this trope), the actual culture of the Decapodians doesn't seem even remotely Jewish-inspired. They're just your typical Star Trek-inspired alien culture. They solve disputes with arena battles, reproduce in a planet-wide orgy and die upon reproduction. Does that sound Jewish to you?
RTanker
11:44:00 PM Sep 1st 2011
No, but they all have stereotypical Jewish accents.
VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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03:49:02 PM Feb 8th 2012
edited by VanHohenheimOfXerxes
Do you think the trope name could be changed to "Fantasy Counterpart Stereotype?" That way, it would sound less specifically focused on Jews, and would encompass all stereotypical characters.

And the trope description says that the trope is just about nonhuman characters. What about humans who embody stereotypes in fantasy settings? Wouldn't they count too?

For example, the Calormenes from The Chronicles Of Narnia are human, but they're still fantasy versions of evil Middle Easterners.

Another example would be the traveling singers and the Foggy Swamp Waterbenders from Avatar The Last Airbender, who are humans, but they're still stereotypical versions of hippies (the traveling singers) and rednecks (the Foggy Swamp Waterbenders).

What do you think?
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