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DaibhidC
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10:46:10 AM Aug 24th 2014
It's been a while since I saw "The Long Game", but I don't recall any references to a banking consortium being behind anything. There's the Mighty Jagrafess, and behind him there's the Daleks, but we don't learn that until later
DrIvoShandor
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10:21:33 AM Dec 13th 2013
I'm something of a "Star Trek" fan though not "hard-core." I found this interesting : "Bajorans are oppressed, deeply-religious terrorists, referencing Jewish and Muslim stereotypes.". I didn't see that much of the Bajoran storylines but I thought that the conflict on the Bajoran homeworld was based on/influenced by the "Troubles" of Northern Ireland. Interesting..
jatay3
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07:22:51 PM Jun 22nd 2013
What about Dwarves in Tolkien? They were great artisans, always exiled and always Fighting for a Homeland; they are more a sympathetic version but they do resemble Jews. And while Tolkien hated current events and definitely hated political allegory he must have known a few Zionists though he may have been ambiguous about their program.
Peteman
07:31:21 PM Jun 22nd 2013
Tolkien apparently did it intentionally.
CaptainCrawdad
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11:13:26 AM Nov 17th 2012
edited by CaptainCrawdad
Removed:

I'm not familiar with this series, but this entry looks like it's getting the trope confused with Fantasy Counterpart Culture. If someone knows this work and thinks the trope does apply, could you clean out the Fantasy Counterpart Culture stuff and stick to non-humans displaying racial stereotypes?
VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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03:49:02 PM Feb 8th 2012
edited by VanHohenheimOfXerxes
Do you think the trope name could be changed to "Fantasy Counterpart Stereotype?" That way, it would sound less specifically focused on Jews, and would encompass all stereotypical characters.

And the trope description says that the trope is just about nonhuman characters. What about humans who embody stereotypes in fantasy settings? Wouldn't they count too?

For example, the Calormenes from The Chronicles of Narnia are human, but they're still fantasy versions of evil Middle Easterners.

Another example would be the traveling singers and the Foggy Swamp Waterbenders from Avatar: The Last Airbender, who are humans, but they're still stereotypical versions of hippies (the traveling singers) and rednecks (the Foggy Swamp Waterbenders).

What do you think?
SaltyWaffles
03:01:10 PM Aug 6th 2012
Yes. This trope's title is excessively misleading, confusing, and is very often used in an offensive way.

Seriously, there's no need for the title to be what it is. It's misleading (has little to do with Jews in any specific way, nor does it necessarily refer to anything in space, or even sci-fi), full of Unfortunate Implications from the connotations of the title, and misused as a result a LOT (usage of Pot Hole's and normal trope examples that are, from the troper's usage, explicitly refering to Jews, and in some cases, detailing how these characters/people in-universe are just like stereotypical Jews, without any kind of mention about them being stereotypes at all.
DoktorvonEurotrash
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05:39:38 AM Mar 5th 2011
I have half a mind to remove the Decapodians from the Futurama example. Apart from Dr. Zoidberg (who is just one individual, and thus not this trope), the actual culture of the Decapodians doesn't seem even remotely Jewish-inspired. They're just your typical Star Trek-inspired alien culture. They solve disputes with arena battles, reproduce in a planet-wide orgy and die upon reproduction. Does that sound Jewish to you?
RTanker
11:44:00 PM Sep 1st 2011
No, but they all have stereotypical Jewish accents.
219.78.22.148
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01:04:31 AM Dec 22nd 2010
I don't get the definition of a Space Jew. Isn't it the same as fantasy culture counterpart? Is it only applies to only jewish attributes? No Space Americans, Space British, or Space Anything? How is this not similar to Space Roman trope? This trope seems really ambiguous...
CaptainCrawdad
08:49:48 AM Dec 22nd 2010
edited by CaptainCrawdad
"The Space Jew is an alien, monster, or other nonhuman creature that embodies the worst aspects of a real-world racial stereotype, whether Jewish, black, Asian, white or whatever."

Fantasy Counterpart Culture is about fictional cultures that are heavily based on real cultures. Space Jews is about nonhuman characters based on stereotypes of a particular race.
SaltyWaffles
09:01:24 PM Sep 6th 2012
"stereotypes of a particular race"? And what might that be? You aren't seriously naming this trope after a setting that isn't required to be in space and a religious ethnicity that isn't even a race at all? Are you kidding me?
CaptainCrawdad
11:11:39 AM Nov 17th 2012
I don't understand your first question. Are you asking me what racial stereotypes are?

As for the name, I didn't name it :)
CaptainCrawdad
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09:41:03 PM Nov 14th 2010
I removed the following text from the trope description:

On the other hand, it's also common for those overly fond of the fandom to defensively claim that the author didn't mean it when he damn well did. They'll rant and rave about "Political Correctness Gone Mad", ending in the Call of the Fanboy: "Get Over It!". Of course, they will rarely be a member of the group being depicted. See H.P. Lovecraft for a popular example (put THIS little ditty in your pipe and smoke it...).

Beyond this, it can be very hard to tell in fantasy settings, as authors base "races" on medieval legends. Now, what distinguishes medieval people? If you guessed anti-Semitism, you are correct.

To complicate things even further, Jews love poking fun at themselves, and are very prominent in the entertainment industry.

The first section is just a lot of extra words for what the opening paragraph already says: that we often don't know whether the trope is or isn't intentional. The other sections focus on Jews, which has confused tropers in the past into thinking that this trope is just about Jews, or about any Jews in a sci-fi setting.
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