I don't remember Sebastian having that many stereotypically "black" or "Afro-Caribbean" traits apart from his accent and being a musician, which might not be enough to qualify.
I wonder if there are any nonhumans based on stereotypical white people?
Hide / Show RepliesDo the crabs in SpongeBob SquarePants qualify? It's not just Mr. Krabs who's greedy, all the crabs are, and have long noses. Though this stereotype is likely unintentional.
Edited by MrStranger616 Hide / Show RepliesThey lack Yiddish (or Eastern European) accents or an association with Banking (Mr Krabs even says he's never heard of a bank). His mother has an Irish accent.
The [[Treeants Arborians]] from Chowder sound and act like stereotypical Turks, Russians or Aremerians.
I have half a mind to remove the Decapodians from the Futurama example. Apart from Dr. Zoidberg (who is just one individual, and thus not this trope), the actual culture of the Decapodians doesn't seem even remotely Jewish-inspired. They're just your typical Star Trek-inspired alien culture. They solve disputes with arena battles, reproduce in a planet-wide orgy and die upon reproduction. Does that sound Jewish to you?
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird Hide / Show RepliesWhat about Dwarves in Tolkien? They were great artisans, always exiled and always Fighting for a Homeland; they are more a sympathetic version but they do resemble Jews. And while Tolkien hated current events and definitely hated political allegory he must have known a few Zionists though he may have been ambiguous about their program.
Hide / Show RepliesLinking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: "Space Jews" to "Funny She Doesn't Look Druish"?, started by TigerKing on Dec 5th 2010 at 1:47:02 AM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman Hide / Show RepliesThe Joozians are probably the most obvious. I bet their culture forbids them from eating pigs and shellfish, or whatever their planet's equivalent of those animals is.
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- FTL Faster Than Light has the Slug race. They hide in nebulas, using their psychic powers to distract you and your crew so they can loot your ship. Those slugs that aren't pirates are often greedy merchants who offer little or no payment if you save their lives and will try to rip you off if you buy from their shops. They alsssso ssssspeak with a hissssssing accent.
This entry doesn't say what race the aliens are supposed to be stand-ins for. If they're supposed to be Jewish, I'm not seeing much correlation. There's no stereotypes for Jews being pirates who speak in hissing accents.
Hide / Show RepliesI was going to say obviously Jews, since Greedy Merchant = Greedy Jew but then he said the hissing thing... uh... yeah. I think maybe they had this trope confused with Planet of Hats?
Edited by 156.33.241.9 Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Well, if all the inhabitants are Space Jews, then it is a planet of hats.
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Needs Help, started by EdnaWalker on Mar 22nd 2012 at 9:00:33 PM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanWhat would be this trope in its literal sense? Like, not just stereotypes, but actual, real-world religious practices used in a fantasy or non-Earth setting?
Hide / Show RepliesFantastic Religious Weirdness, I think.
By now, it should be clear to all except the most dense of us that sheep are secretly conspiring to kill us all and steal our pants.I'm wondering if there should be a distinction between characters who display stereotypes of a ethnicity, and characters that are supposed to actually be that ethnicity. Scrooge Mc Duck, for example, has a lot of Scottish elements to him, but only because he's actually Scottish. The various mice and cats from an American Tail all act in accordance to the cultures they've come from.
On the other hand, I suppose it's easier to draw the line with just "Are they animals? Are they a stereotype? Then they're Space Jews." But I thought it was worth at least discussing.
Hide / Show RepliesNonhuman characters who are explicitly members of a real ethnicity or group should not be an example of this trope when they exhibit stereotypical behavior. They would be an example of whatever that stereotype is. For example, an animal character who is explicitly Jewish and always complains would simply be an example of Jewish Complaining.
It's been a while since I saw "The Long Game", but I don't recall any references to a banking consortium being behind anything. There's the Mighty Jagrafess, and behind him there's the Daleks, but we don't learn that until later
I'm something of a "Star Trek" fan though not "hard-core." I found this interesting : "Bajorans are oppressed, deeply-religious terrorists, referencing Jewish and Muslim stereotypes.". I didn't see that much of the Bajoran storylines but I thought that the conflict on the Bajoran homeworld was based on/influenced by the "Troubles" of Northern Ireland. Interesting..
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- Realizing it can't avoid it, Stationery Voyagers runs with this one like it's a marathon baton. A lot of the Fantasy Counterpart Cultures may also double as Space Romans. Most of the Minshan denominations and Minshanism-based faiths are kept ambiguous (i.e., who's Baptist or Methodist or Lutheran or what-not,) but it's made pretty obvious that the main leaders of the Statonian government are Mormons, who suffer similar criticism as they do in Richard Dutcher's film Brigham City. The Yehtzigs' Religion of Evil serves as a reminder of what can happen at the crossroads of The War on Straw and Political Correctness Gone Mad with actual devil worship.
- The Xylien Society are Magical Native Americans with Magitek and Men in Black attire.
- Viola is a Space Jive Turkey.
- Inkraine speaks for itself.
- Markerterion is basically Planet Spain. Or Southern California. Or Southern Louisiana. Or Kalamazoo. Whichever of the four it needs to be for that episode.
- Mikloche Warriors in training on Whixtitout may have very Minshan (Christian) beliefs about the universe, yet, they tend to live lives with only limited contact with their surrounding culture, fearful of overattachment; and they practice martial arts of the sort expected more of Buddhist or Shinto monks. Made worse when their countryside looks like Medieval Japan.
- Mantith generally averts this by virtue of being the most Earth-like. But the Mosquatlons who aren't pagan are usually implied to be Roman Catholic or Russian Orthodox.
I'm not familiar with this series, but this entry looks like it's getting the trope confused with Fantasy Counterpart Culture. If someone knows this work and thinks the trope does apply, could you clean out the Fantasy Counterpart Culture stuff and stick to non-humans displaying racial stereotypes?
Edited by CaptainCrawdadI don't get the definition of a Space Jew. Isn't it the same as fantasy culture counterpart? Is it only applies to only jewish attributes? No Space Americans, Space British, or Space Anything? How is this not similar to Space Roman trope? This trope seems really ambiguous...
Hide / Show Replies"The Space Jew is an alien, monster, or other nonhuman creature that embodies the worst aspects of a real-world racial stereotype, whether Jewish, black, Asian, white or whatever."
Fantasy Counterpart Culture is about fictional cultures that are heavily based on real cultures. Space Jews is about nonhuman characters based on stereotypes of a particular race.
Edited by CaptainCrawdad"stereotypes of a particular race"? And what might that be? You aren't seriously naming this trope after a setting that isn't required to be in space and a religious ethnicity that isn't even a race at all? Are you kidding me?
I don't understand your first question. Are you asking me what racial stereotypes are?
As for the name, I didn't name it :)
Do you think the trope name could be changed to "Fantasy Counterpart Stereotype?" That way, it would sound less specifically focused on Jews, and would encompass all stereotypical characters.
And the trope description says that the trope is just about nonhuman characters. What about humans who embody stereotypes in fantasy settings? Wouldn't they count too?
For example, the Calormenes from The Chronicles Of Narnia are human, but they're still fantasy versions of evil Middle Easterners.
Another example would be the traveling singers and the Foggy Swamp Waterbenders from Avatar The Last Airbender, who are humans, but they're still stereotypical versions of hippies (the traveling singers) and rednecks (the Foggy Swamp Waterbenders).
What do you think?
Edited by VanHohenheimOfXerxes Hide / Show RepliesYes. This trope's title is excessively misleading, confusing, and is very often used in an offensive way.
Seriously, there's no need for the title to be what it is. It's misleading (has little to do with Jews in any specific way, nor does it necessarily refer to anything in space, or even sci-fi), full of Unfortunate Implications from the connotations of the title, and misused as a result a LOT (usage of Pot Hole's and normal trope examples that are, from the troper's usage, explicitly refering to Jews, and in some cases, detailing how these characters/people in-universe are just like stereotypical Jews, without any kind of mention about them being stereotypes at all.
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- On the other hand, it's also common for those overly fond of the fandom to defensively claim that the author didn't mean it when he damn well did. They'll rant and rave about "Political Correctness Gone Mad", ending in the Call of the Fanboy: "Get Over It!". Of course, they will rarely be a member of the group being depicted. See HP Lovecraft for a popular example (put THIS little ditty in your pipe and smoke it...).Beyond this, it can be very hard to tell in fantasy settings, as authors base "races" on medieval legends. Now, what distinguishes medieval people? If you guessed anti-Semitism, you are correct.To complicate things even further, Jews love poking fun at themselves, and are very prominent in the entertainment industry.
The first section is just a lot of extra words for what the opening paragraph already says: that we often don't know whether the trope is or isn't intentional. The other sections focus on Jews, which has confused tropers in the past into thinking that this trope is just about Jews, or about any Jews in a sci-fi setting.
Does Sebastian from The Little Mermaid (1989) count? I mean, Honest Trailers did call him "the closest thing this movie has to a black person".
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