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EmmaWoodhouse18
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07:14:42 PM Jun 22nd 2012
I would disagree with the morality of the story ranking under Face-Heel Turn. I think it's slightly more unlikely that a good guy will turn bad in a Black and White Morality story than a White and White one. Where neither side is really "bad," it makes more sense that someone on the hero's side might turn to the other side for completely understandable motives. That's something I've seen play out in TV more often, I think. But I don't want to change it right away without some input from others.
ChrisX
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11:31:55 PM May 8th 2012
edited by ChrisX
I'd like to know in which part the trope Forced Into Evil plays in? I'll default to Motivation Level 5 to get back to Face.
68.43.8.164
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10:29:57 PM Oct 27th 2010
I think popularity with fans should be a subcategory in the Sorting Algorithm of Face Heel Turning.

Take wrestling for example. When a heel starts to get over with fans, they are usually turned face so the promoter can capitalize on their popularity. When a face wrestler is hated by fans, they are usually turned heel in an effort to salvage their career.

It happens in other genres as well. If a short term villain or jerkass becomes popular with fans they are usually turned face. It's mostly done to allow the audience to like them without promoting an evil is cool mentality. With Scrappy's, turning them heel allows the viewers to hate a character comfortably without feeling the writers are forcing the audience to like them.

The problem is this can't work for one-off productions where there is little chance of knowing how much the audience likes them besides editors or special audience screenings.

the categories can be Heel->Face 5. Breakout Character 4. Ensemble Darkhorse 3. Broken Base 2. The Scrappy 1. The Wesley

Tehrannotaur
09:17:28 PM Sep 13th 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
I think Romanticism Versus Enlightenment should be a subcategory in the Sorting Algorithm of Face Heel Turning.

This is mostly tied with the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism. Romantics favor a cynical standpoint, but there's great amount of deviation (such as John Keats being on the idealistic end). Enlightenment people vary (those of the European mainland were on the idealistic end whilst those on the British Isles were on the absolute end of cynicism, such as Hobbes Was Right)

The categories can be Heel->Face 4. Enlightened 2. Romantic
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