Main Sociopathic Hero Discussion

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PhiSat
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08:33:21 PM Dec 6th 2014
Bayonetta really shouldn't be listed on this page. She cares for Cereza despite really not having to and goes to rescue Jeanne from Hell despite that leading her on a miserable journey and to her knowledge not gaining anything from it. On the few occasions innocents are in danger from her rampages, she tries to protect them. She does fight angels, but not only does she have to, the angels are Smug Snake Jerkasses and prime examples of Light Is Not Good. (Their God wants to destroy the world) Who wouldn't want them dead?
angelthread1w9
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12:04:48 PM Apr 29th 2014
I've noticed on the character pages for Monster and Touhou that Wolfgang Grimmer and Marisa are listed as Sociopathic Heroes yet their not put on this page.

Should this be changed? Does the trope really fit them, or is it something else?
Larkmarn
12:42:14 PM Apr 29th 2014
Well, Grimmer has a fundamental lack of empathy but he's unambiguously heroic. He's a sociopath, and a hero, but doesn't seem like a Sociopathic Hero per this page's description.
angelthread1w9
12:45:20 PM Apr 30th 2014
A sociopath and a hero but not necessarily a Sociopathic Hero? Sounds rather complicated. :p

Monster and Touhou are some of my favorite things recently and I would have to say Grimmer does kind of fit, but Marisa's description saying she simply likes to "fight a little too much" makes her sound more like a anti-heroic blood knight. :p

I thought one of the descriptions for a sociopath was also a lack of emotion though? o.O I think...
Larkmarn
01:02:49 PM Apr 30th 2014
The thing about Grimmer is he's a sociopath (as in he doesn't feel emotion), but he's still unambiguously "good." If you look at his entry on the Characters.Monster page it says that he's literally a Sociopathic Hero, and whenever an entry feels the need to say someone is "literally" an example it usually means "this character isn't actually an example of the trope, but we're listing them anyway because he sounds like he would be."
ShorinBJ
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10:27:44 PM Apr 6th 2014
I'm seeing a problem here. The trope description establishes that a Sociopathic Hero has no empathy and a disregard for human life. Too many of the examples listed do not fit; Huntress, for instance, may not mind killing bad guys, but she certainly does care about the lives of innocents. That's what we might call more of a selective empathy, which she reserves for those she thinks deserve it.
brifranc
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09:03:05 PM Mar 7th 2013
Sherlock's on here, and that's good, but how about including this exchange:

"MORIARTY: Sherlock, your big brother and all the King's horses couldn't make me do a thing I didn't want to. HOLMES: Yes, but I'm not my brother, remember? I am you. Prepared to do anything. Prepared to burn. Prepared to do what ordinary people won't do. You want me to shake hands with you in hell? I shall not disappoint you. MORIARTY: Nah you talk big. Nah... you're ordinary. You're ordinary you're on the side of the angels. HOLMES: Oh, I may be on the side of the angels... but don't think for one second that I am one of them."

Very to the point, the last line is the definition of the trope, almost verbatim.
Wardog
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12:47:19 AM Jan 30th 2013
Should Belkar be on this page, given that he is also the illustrating example of Heroic Comedic Sociopath?
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