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129.119.25.37
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01:05:45 PM Mar 16th 2010
This is a pointless concept. I see "so yeah" sprinkled around this wiki on pages just after a coherent explanation has ended. Why bother? We may as well ad "So Yeah" to each page. Seems like a waste.
areneeb123
01:11:48 PM Mar 25th 2010
I agree, I'm getting so sick of seeing this everywhere for no reason, even when the statements actually would be fine without it. For some reason people just get the idea to add it into pages where it doesn't fit the trope and it isn't needed. It's like the new I Am Not Making This Up or something, and I hate it.
TailsDoll
04:42:15 AM Apr 2nd 2010
You think we should star deleting all the cases of these on the wiki?
areneeb123
08:44:53 PM Apr 5th 2010
I do, but I don't want to just start doing that and then have people be angry with me.
63.245.220.240
11:12:19 AM May 5th 2010
Most of the cases I see on the wiki are highlighting a feeble excuse, rather than leaving the conclusion for the reader to infer. An example is the page image caption on Male Gaze. I think that use is fine.
SomeGuy
04:26:27 PM May 5th 2010
edited by SomeGuy
Ooo! A hunting expedition for lazy pot holes that don't add anything? Sounds like fun!

I'm declaring myself Pot Hole marshal. Here's what we can zap- anything that's not being internally referenced in a quote from the work in question. If you can take away the So Yeah Pot Hole and it still works, nuke it. If anyone gets mad, say I told you it was OK.
SomeGuy
11:07:56 AM May 6th 2010
Brief update- I deleted a couple hundred of these references yesterday, many of which were on pages some of the more hardcore tropers regularly patrol. There were no complaints or reversions. So for the foreseeable future, anyone who wants to kill So Yeah references has carte blanche to do so.
areneeb123
08:53:41 PM May 14th 2010
Awesome, I've cut a few, I really hated those, I don't get why there was a huge burst of them for a while.
gfrequency
09:49:21 PM May 26th 2010
Question: why does this non-trope exist in the first place? It doesn't actually mean anything. On the trope page itself you're discouraged from using it, because it really does come across as a grating attempt to be snarky and aloof. Why not just get rid of the "trope" itself? It serves no purpose.
TailsDoll
03:48:20 PM May 27th 2010
I agree with gfrequency, we should probably get rid of the trope altogether. It's not really a trope, but a phrase of sorts, the pot holes are just annoying, and I don't like it.
DragonQuestZ
12:51:36 AM Aug 3rd 2010
edited by DragonQuestZ
Well even if we cut the page, we should still use the picture for something.

Actually, do we have a trope for characters stunned into silence? I think that could be a replacement trope for this.

EDIT: And, there is Stunned Silence. I moved the picture to that.
RedViking
11:00:26 AM Aug 3rd 2010
Normally, I'd be against cutting something with over 4k links and point towards Trope Repair, but I have to agree that people use this either as a thinly veiled Take That or as a way to avoid explaining what their entry is supposed to be about because it's supposed to be "obvious."
DragonQuestZ
11:10:02 AM Aug 3rd 2010
I at least try to use it to represent uncomfortable silence, but if other users are doing it the wrong way, then it's being misused.
gfrequency
02:25:02 PM Aug 6th 2010
The thing is, an uncomfortable silence doesn't even need to be added. It's like saying, as someone else noted, "Nuff said." If enough was said...don't say more. Uncomfortable silence has few uses beyond adding a Take That aimed at this troper or that.
Inferno232
05:45:34 PM Aug 8th 2010
It was really misused. Some people end a sentence with this when they want to describe something more accurately, but realize they can't, leaving an awkward silence. As noted above, it was then abused to deliver TakeThats and for several other purposes that it was not meant to be used for. This is the first massive Trope cut that I've seen here that I wholeheartedly support.
GreatLimmick
02:08:50 PM Aug 12th 2010
Most of the times I've seen it used were to mark Unfortunate Implications. If that's what they meant, that's what they should've said.
beagels
05:36:06 AM Aug 17th 2010
edited by beagels
I see that Tv Tropes is really different from that other Wiki. No squares here... So we should just write: "you know what i mean", if we want to express: you know what i mean? And could we please start to require citations?

"We are not Wikipedia. We're a buttload more informal. We encourage breezy language and original thought. There Is No Such Thing As Notability, and no citations are needed. If your entry cannot gather any evidence by the Wiki Magic, it will just wither and die. Until then, though, it will be available through the Tropes Index."

Don't get me wrong, i understand the reasoning, i just don't see the bad in using it for "you what i mean"
MrDeath
09:29:46 AM Aug 18th 2010
"You know what I mean" is just as bad. Just say it, and it should stand on its own. "So yeah", "You know what I mean", "get it?" "ya know?" they're all just filler that people throw into conversation as a tic.
beagels
02:45:28 AM Aug 19th 2010
If Tv Tropes wants to be less informal than other Wikis,.

Yes, you are right, it can stand on his own.

To make it clearer: Tv Tropes doesn't want to be serious business. A casual tone seems integral to that. With that in mind, the only disadvantages i can see are repeated use of a certain phrase (not really a problem, seeing as the trope names are repeated all the time), blue text amidst black (see above), and one more trope page (is the traffic and memory that big a problem?).
RedViking
10:46:32 AM Aug 20th 2010
edited by RedViking
Often times, people make the assumption that just because they're familiar with something, it means that others are familiar with it as well. It's only human and we've all made that kind of assumption at one point in our lives.

That said, because of this, people started developing a habit of not fully explaining their entries. So things that made sense to them didn't make sense to others who weren't as familiar with the source material. We ended up having entries that started with an explanation, then petered out into incoherency with a So Yeah because whomever wrote it thought it was 'obvious' what they were talking about. This website may have a casual tone, but there's a reason why we rename tropes to something more general and why we disallow Just A Face And A Caption: We want things to make sense to everyone.
aliengeni
06:00:17 PM Jan 19th 2011
I'm so happy. I made the original complaint above when there was nothing else on this discussion page. Now, the entire thing is gone and the world is a better place.
74.113.158.16
12:23:44 PM Apr 12th 2011
CHILL it's not that big a deal. omg

so yeah.
74.113.158.16
12:25:48 PM Apr 12th 2011
yeah, I agree. If it agrivates you so much, JUST DON'T USE IT
Gundamforce
09:38:50 PM Apr 17th 2011
crazyrabbits
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01:46:19 AM Jul 9th 2010
I'm calling it now: six months before Fast Eddie gets so fed up with this trope that he banishes it out of existence.
AnonymousUser
11:12:06 PM Aug 4th 2010
Less than a month.
Darkmane
07:33:22 AM Aug 6th 2010
Ten points to you.
Inferno232
05:34:47 PM Aug 8th 2010
Aw, damn, are we starting Death Pools for tropes now? Darn it, why didn't anyone tell me?
crazyrabbits
06:34:44 PM Aug 8th 2010
Damn, wrong again!
gfrequency
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10:22:53 PM Aug 2nd 2010
Put a request in for this to be cut just now. It's not a trope. It's so poorly defined as to be meaningless. It's almost exclusive to natter, thinly veiled take thats and justifying edits. It serves no purpose beyond the needless addition of snark to the end of any conceivable sentence.
FlyingV
09:55:13 PM Aug 3rd 2010
If it gets cut it probably should be locked as well. Other wise it will be endlessly revived.
Twentington
05:16:34 PM Aug 4th 2010
Agreed. As a trope it's little more than People Sit On Chairs, and it's as big a pothole target as I Am Not Making This Up was. It's absolutely meaningless anymore.
98.155.209.19
09:53:27 PM Aug 6th 2010
Shouldn't this have been discussed in the Trope Repair Shop before being deleted?
SabreJustice
12:56:07 AM Aug 7th 2010
No.
Inferno232
05:38:11 PM Aug 8th 2010
At least I Am Not Making This Up seemed to serve a purpose and, in right places, added to the humor of an article. This didn't. I always meant to click on the page to see what it was but never did because... Well, it didn't seem that interesting. A lot of people in fiction and in other media say it when nothing else is left to be said, but that's it. It was, in my opinion, misused. And I don't think many people will cry for it now that it's gone. And that's saying something.
SabreJustice
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12:56:00 AM Aug 7th 2010
Yaaaaaaaay!
74.36.128.165
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04:33:50 PM Aug 7th 2010
RIP So Yeah.

So many red links now...
putnamehere3145
02:36:33 PM Aug 9th 2010
edited by putnamehere3145
Yep, good riddance. I (and hopefully everyone else) will try to remove every Pot Hole/link to "So Yeah" from the site.

@McAfreak: No I didn't.
74.36.128.165
08:18:55 AM Aug 10th 2010
I never got to read the article ;-; Was it worth reading at all?
RedWren
01:13:34 AM Aug 13th 2010
Not really. Check out the page history, there's a bit still there.
McAfreak
11:17:10 AM Sep 17th 2010
@putnamehere3145 You missed one in your own comment.
ProgenyExMachina
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02:41:27 PM Aug 11th 2010
I understand why it was deleted and have no mind to contest the decision, but I can't seriously be the only person who'll miss it...?
Michael
02:17:23 AM Aug 12th 2010
I wonder if we shouldn't replace it with a trope named Aposiopesis? That is, after all, what it referred to. In-work usages of the Aposiopesis.
ProgenyExMachina
07:13:21 AM Aug 12th 2010
edited by ProgenyExMachina
Well, you might be on to something there...it'd certainly be harder to pothole to something nobody can spell. XD

I'm fine with it being gone, especially since the reason I liked it is because I'm a big fan of the snarky asides and idle banter that (rather unfortunately) isn't the direction the wiki is aimed in...so the whole "instances of it being used in works" aspect of the trope I can take or leave; ain't my concern.

(I realize I've just zapped any chance I had of ever being respected around here...but I try to be civil about it, at least.)
DominusTemporis
06:01:52 PM Aug 13th 2010
Wait... we're not about snarky asides and idle banter? What the hell are we here for then?

So... betting pool on how long until the "buttload more informal" gets removed from the main page for being increasingly inaccurate?
ProgenyExMachina
05:33:25 PM Aug 29th 2010
edited by ProgenyExMachina
Let me rephrase that; I don't think I said it quite right. I don't care if fictional characters say it; I just liked when it was appended to every other sentence on this wiki. I'm that kind of person, I guess: casual always beats formal in my opinion, even when the "formal" option isn't actually, well, formal by most standards. A comparative sense, one might say. (This sentence is here so the paragraphs are more equal.)

Again, I have no mind to contest the decision, as I know I'm in a minority, and, more importantly, the staff disagree with me. I accept my indirect defeat; I merely wished to state my opinion and find out, for records' sake, if I was truly the only one (other than the people who are mostly just bitter over "having their freedom of speech suppressed" or whatever such bullshit). :P Just so we're all clear. I try to trope peacefully.
Almafeta
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11:24:51 AM Sep 5th 2010
Did anyone save it article before it was deleted, or are we going to have to recreate this entire article out of scratch?
MrDeath
06:40:12 AM Sep 6th 2010
It's locked and blanked by the admins. That sorta means they don't want you to recreate it.
LucyZephyr
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05:26:54 PM Oct 8th 2010
edited by LucyZephyr
Alas, the death of Eddie Izzard's trope.

We shall remember it as such in our hearts.

(sighs over the Stop Having Fun Guys attitude TV Tropes is taking lately)
Reecer6
12:22:32 AM Oct 17th 2010
You like this trope? This is not how you play the wiki! You shouldn't use anything related to Stock Phrases either!
ProgenyExMachina
02:33:58 PM Oct 17th 2010
Reecer6? From TSG? (totally unrelated but I saw your username and was like...)
Gundamforce
09:39:42 PM Apr 17th 2011
Ramenth
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10:29:57 AM Oct 29th 2010
Can we get this replaced with one of those no-example short locked articles, perhaps? Because as much as people misused 'So Yeah', this was actually a valid expression of a specific point, once upon a time. Getting rid of the article isn't going to make people stop saying 'So yeah', given that it's a common turn of phrase all over the internet and real life.
MrDeath
11:27:57 AM Oct 29th 2010
I don't see how it was a "valid expression of a specific point". It seemed to me to be the written equivalent of trailing off and shrugging.

Should we have a trope page for "like", too, so any time people, like, use it as a placeholder, they can, like, pothole it?
Foobar2000
05:53:33 PM Dec 22nd 2010
edited by Foobar2000
It's a perfectly valid Stock Phrase. There's even a "formal" name for it: aposiopesis. Even if it stays locked and redlinked, we should at least explain what the phrase means.
TrevMUN
10:50:24 AM Dec 29th 2010
"Aposiopesis" is currently an alt title for Angrish, which—from a brief Google—is a valid definition of using aposiopesis, but it's also not the whole definition.

My two cents: Make a trope article titled Aposiopesis (to avoid overusage as a pot hole), and make Angrish the subtrope.
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